Talk:Buzz Hargrove

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I don't feel well-enough informed to write all this myself, but I have a couple of suggestions about the general organization of this article. I think rather that its current order of general info, followed by a "1999 election" subsection, "federal politics" subsection, and then a separate "2006 federal election," is kind of confusing. Maybe it would be better to divide the discussion of Hargrove's politics into two broad sections: Ontario Politics and Federal Politics, and then include the subsidiary discussion of various elections as subcategories.

The Ontario Politics section could also include discussion of Hargrove and the CAW's relationship with the Bob Rae government in Ontario and his implementation of the Social Contract. That would be helpful background as to why Hargrove and the CAW adopted the "tactical voting" approach in the first place. Like I said, I am not extremely well informed about this area, but I think Hargrove discusses it in at least one of his books mentioned in the leading paragraph of the article?

What do you think?Robbie dee.

First of all, the grammar and punctuation needs some serious attention in places. Secondly, the article appears to harbour considerable bias, focussing primarily on Hargrove's negative press. It seems less like an encyclopedia entry than it does an opinion article.—Preceding unsigned comment added by 64.180.184.128 (talk • contribs)

>> As I indicated in my earlier message, I do believe that Buzz tries to explain his actions, and his history with the NDP, in his own book. If someone who has read that book would like to add additional info which balances the "negative press" I think it would improve the article, but I have not read Hargrove's book and can only rely on the information publicly available on the net, which as you point out is predominantly negative. Your help would be appreciated, also could you sign your comments? Robbie dee 14:45, 15 May 2006 (UTC)

Federal politics

I cut this out. "The NDP made significant gains in popular vote, although they were dissapointed to gain only 5 seats for a total of 19, well short of the predicted 40." I think an unintended meaning here is that the gain at the polls was a direct result of Hargrove's endorsment.--Bookandcoffee 19:25, 27 May 2006 (UTC)

references

I converted the article to the <ref> format. I commented out three links - two were broken, and one was a fairly thin reference to the "babble.ca" blog. I left {{fact}} tags as markers. I also moved the following list from the ext links section. They appeared to be "further reading", but seemed more like unused references to me... feel free to put them back if they should be there.

• Duncan Maven, ""Is Buzz tarnished goods?", Financial Post, January 28,06.
• Carol Goar, "NDP better without Hargrove," Toronto Star. February 20, 2006.
• Steve Arnold, "Hargrove Challenger: Oakville bus driver Willie Lambert is running for president of the Canadian Auto Workers," Hamilton Spectator, April 19, 2006.
• Sam Gindin, "When Giving Up More is Never Enough," Toronto Star March 24, 2006.
• Wayne Dealy, "Phantom Fears Drive CAW Rift With New Democrats" Toronto Star, May 11, 2006.

--Bookandcoffee 20:45, 28 July 2006 (UTC)

CLC Vice-President

Can we verify whether Hargrove is still serving as a vice president of the CLC, whether he retired from that position at the same time as he retired as CAW President, or if he left that position at some other, earlier time? I can't seem to find any info on the CLC website. Robbie dee (talk) 15:49, 13 September 2008 (UTC)