Talk:CCTV Headquarters

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The source from which I obtained the added background information is as follows: http://www.arcspace.com/architects/koolhaas/chinese_television/

-Shenzhou 18:59, 11 August 2006 (UTC)

Location

The coordinates are given as 39°54′54″N, but I find it in Google Earth at 39°54′49″. Granted, this is only a block away, but I'm curious about the discrepancy. How accurate is Google Earth, anyway? --MiguelMunoz (talk) 08:40, 4 August 2008 (UTC)

Construction Status

I'm pretty sure that this building is complete. Can somebody check up with this? --Chinese3126 (talk) 13:33, 19 August 2008 (UTC)

I was just going to ask the same thing actually... On the channel CCTV they showed the outside of the stadium from the CCTV Headquarters which is located right next door. CaribDigita (talk) 07:50, 25 August 2008 (UTC)

Fire

This:Television Cultural Center (TVCC) is an article about the destryed building. It seems to me that the Mandarin Oriental Hotel that is now mentioned is only a part of the destroyed building.

• Office for Metropolitan Architecture, (OMA) - CCTV - TELEVISION CULTURAL CENTRE, CHINA, BEIJING, 2002
• Emporis.com – TVCC

--Cryonic07 ^talk ° ^contribs 10:27, 10 February 2009 (UTC)

Fire-section partly rewritten. --Cryonic07 ^talk ° ^contribs 11:26, 10 February 2009 (UTC)

The burning of another building near this building could be mentioned in a few sentences or so, but it is unencyclopedic to devote a large section to a burning that is actually not on this building.--DerechoReguerraz (talk) 08:00, 12 February 2009 (UTC)

fireworks burning another building ,it call "the China Central Television (CCTV)complex"
or "CCTV hotel" .not the "China Central Television Headquarters building ".you can read this
Official: CCTV hotel fire caused by fireworks
--Catozrocketsheep (talk) 15:25, 15 February 2009 (UTC)

An update would be in order. Last time I walked by (maybe 6 weeks ago) there was still a big construction fence around it, and it was NOT open. I could walk by next week, but would this be original research? BsBsBs (talk) 12:54, 11 July 2011 (UTC)

Requested move

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The result of the move request was: no consensus to move Armbrust, B.Ed. ^{WrestleMania XXVIII} _{The Undertaker 20–0} 12:25, 7 June 2012 (UTC)

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China Central Television Headquarters → CCTV Headquarters – split article (over redirect). Article currently inappropriately covers two buildings. per emporis and skyscraperpage, old building=China Central Television building and new building=CCTV Headquarters. the easiest way would be to cut and paste new building content out to the CCTV Headquarters redirect page, but i'm sure that would probably screw things up. --Relisted JHunterJ (talk) 13:52, 28 May 2012 (UTC) emerson7 17:07, 18 May 2012 (UTC)

• Oppose, per WP:TITLEFORMAT: avoid abbreviations. Article on namesake broadcaster is at China Central Television, and article on headquarters should be similarly titled, China Central Television Headquarters. The information on the old building is secondary in article, not needing split at this time. If it is split, should be at Former China Central Television Headquarters or some such, not disambiguated only by use of abbreviation in one title. ENeville (talk) 17:31, 18 May 2012 (UTC)

comment: per Wikipedia:Naming conventions (architecture) the title should be the building's common name. further, each building should have it's own discrete page and the old building should never have been added. once it has it own page, it can (and will) be expanded. --emerson7 18:11, 18 May 2012 (UTC)

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Floor Count

I have visited the building. I'm pretty sure it has 51 floors above the ground, as the elevator inside it shows. Dwaynedu (talk) 06:11, 10 April 2013 (UTC)

Gotta count the individual floors. Many buildings give inflated floor numbers, because they tend to remove unlucky numbers, or simply to increase the value of higher floors by pretending them to be higher than they really are. Philologick (talk) 05:19, 22 June 2017 (UTC)

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Title

Most of the sources refer to this building as the CCTV Headquarters. Why its titled CMG Headquarters and now, less sensibly, CMG Guaghua Road office area, needs to be discussed here.Bangabandhu (talk) 20:51, 4 November 2018 (UTC)

China government renamed this place in April 2018. A Chinese Wikipedian (talk) 06:39, 7 November 2018 (UTC)

If that's the only source you have for the name you should revert it back to the way it was before. You need an English language source that refers to it as you've suggested. Right now, its only your translation - which sounds very poorly worded, if not entirely inaccurate. Thanks. Bangabandhu (talk) 23:07, 7 November 2018 (UTC)

Please change it back to CCTV Headquarters. Bangabandhu (talk) 06:15, 22 November 2018 (UTC)

• Hi @A Chinese Wikipedian: I moved the title back since it's contested. Per our article names policy, pages are usually not immediately moved to new titles after they're renamed until the new name become very common. If you want further move the page please use the WP:Requested move process. –Ammarpad (talk) 06:20, 23 November 2018 (UTC)

Its still the CCTV Headquarters. Bangabandhu (talk) 00:45, 31 March 2020 (UTC)

It is both CMG Guanghua Road Office Area and CCTV Headquarters. CMG Headquarters is wrong name for new CCTV Headquarters. 中央广播电视总台光华路办公区 is the official name and some websites translate 光华路办公区 into Guanghua Road Office Area such as [1].--MetroLe (talk) 04:12, 31 March 2020 (UTC)

What do you think that link says? It's from some bidding website and it may or may not even be about the building that is the subject of the article. It's not a reliable source, if it even refers to the building itself. The architect refers to the building as the CCTV Headquarters. Every English language source (that actually refers to the builiding) uses the CCTV Headquarters. Why would you change it? Bangabandhu (talk) 12:55, 31 March 2020 (UTC)

This page title was CMG Headquarters before I changed it. The old title CMG Headquarters is a WRONG name so I changed. The WRONG title name may have led to other languages Wikipedia translation errors such as ko:CMG 본사 빌딩, vi:Tòa nhà trụ sở CMG. Besides, I looked up the information on China Media Group's official website such as CGTN.com. My conclusion is CMG Guanghua Road Office Area not the correct name. The official name is CMG Office Block at Guanghua Road. This official page has a video. This video shows the official name from 00:34. So this page name need to be changed to CCTV Headquarters or CMG Office Block at Guanghua Road.--MetroLe (talk) 15:12, 31 March 2020 (UTC)

If you're going around to different pages and changing titles based on your translations from Chinese you are doing at disservice to Wikipedia and you should stop. That picture isn't helpful. We don't know anything about where it was taken and your translation may or may not be accurate. The name CMG Headquarters is referenced in at least one source. Your version has no sources. We don't know if its an "area' (which you originally used, and is highly unlikely) a "block" (which you seem to think it is now) or something else. We go by what the sources say. Change it back to CMG Headquarters or CCTV Headquarters, as the sources say. Bangabandhu (talk) 18:20, 31 March 2020 (UTC)

First, this is a only 38 views unofficial page published the day before yesterday. It's unavailable. Second, isn't this 2018 official page source? This video have showed the building. Third, CMG headquarters is NOT this building in fact but can this building be named CMG Headquarters because of unofficial naming? It wasn't my own translation and my original name Guanghua Road Office Area also is an unofficial name but used by more than three English websites. So this page should to be moved to CMG Office Block at Guanghua Road or CCTV Headquarters. MetroLe (talk) 01:39, 1 April 2020 (UTC)

Does it say "CMG Guanghua Road Office Area" in that picture? No, it doesn't. That's your translation and interpretation of it. If you want to include those Chinese characters, put them in the Chinese text that immediately follows the title of the entry at the beginning of the article. I'm glad we agree that the title of this entry should be CCTV Headquarters. Bangabandhu (talk) 13:37, 1 April 2020 (UTC)

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Requested move 1 April 2020

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The result of the move request was: Moved to "CCTV Headquarters" buidhe 20:14, 18 April 2020 (UTC)

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CMG Guanghua Road Office Area → ? – CMG Guanghua Road Office Area is an unofficial English name. So this page should be moved to CMG Office Block at Guanghua Road or moved back to CCTV Headquarters. CMG Office Block at Guanghua Road is the official name in the video on this page. CCTV Headquarters is earlier official name and called by most web pages so far. By the way, this building is not CMG's headquarters so it shouldn't be called by the old page name CMG Headquarters. MetroLe (talk) 13:44, 1 April 2020 (UTC)

This issue be discussed recently. (See Talk:CMG Guanghua Road Office Area#Title). MetroLe (talk) 17:27, 1 April 2020 (UTC)

The title of the article should be CCTV Headquarters. There is not a single reliable source in English that uses the term CMG Office Block at Guanghua Road or any variation. Bangabandhu (talk) 17:47, 2 April 2020 (UTC)

• Support CCTV Headquarters or CCTV headquarters as WP:RECOGNIZABLE/WP:COMMONNAME. The other proposed title is not presented as a proper name in the source, just a description of where it is. – Thjarkur (talk) 13:15, 6 April 2020 (UTC)
• Support move but oppose any title containing the acronym CCTV. The current title is a poor identifier for most readers, who will be looking for an article on a highly notable building. But CCTV is also misleading, being seriously ambiguous. When I first saw the title CCTV headquarters I assumed it referred to a Closed Circuit Television control room, of which there are of course many in the world. Andrewa (talk) 16:07, 9 April 2020 (UTC)

A previous title was China Central Television Headquarters, which I also support. – Thjarkur (talk) 18:52, 9 April 2020 (UTC)

Support this title China Central Television Headquarters. Ticks all the boxes except perhaps sources. Interested to see whether sources exist and if so why it was moved away from this title. Andrewa (talk) 21:43, 10 April 2020 (UTC)

There are a few sources that support China Central Television Headquarters like this one or this one. CCTV Headquarters could redirect there. Bangabandhu (talk) 21:58, 10 April 2020 (UTC)

Thanks for the sources. CCTV Headquarters should either redirect to this article, or should be a DAB if there are other places called CCTV Headquarters which receive coverage in Wikipedia. Andrewa (talk) 22:27, 10 April 2020 (UTC)

• Support CCTV Headquarters. The official name CCTV Headquarters seems to still be used after China Media Group was founded. (official sources: [2] [3]). OMA, the building's design company, also appears to have used the name CCTV Headquarters in this page. So I'm more supportive of CCTV Headquarters as the title. --MetroLe (talk) 03:50, 17 April 2020 (UTC)

Discussion

There have been many previous moves (probably the most I have ever seen!) mostly bold. There is one RM above which closed no consensus, and notably

 21:22, 17 May 2013‎ Anthony Appleyard talk contribs block‎  31 bytes +31‎  Anthony Appleyard moved page China Central Television Headquarters to CCTV Headquarters: Requested at Wikipedia:Requested moves as uncontroversial (//en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Wikipedia:Requested_moves/Technical_requests&oldid=5502...

which moved the page from China Central Television Headquarters as an uncontroversial (technical?) request.

Anthony Appleyard, can you remember why you regarded this as uncontroversial? Are there sources to support this?

Hopefully this RM will reach consensus on a title, and that will then be the end of bold moves. Any further move would require a new RM. Andrewa (talk) 23:00, 10 April 2020 (UTC)

• @Andrewa: "can you remember why ..." :: sorry, no, 21:22, 17 May 2013 was nearly all of 7 years ago. Anthony Appleyard (talk) 04:32, 11 April 2020 (UTC)
  • Quite! Thanks for the reply. I think we need to disregard that uncontroversial move. It may have been justified then, but now there seems no reason not to move back to China Central Television Headquarters. Andrewa (talk) 11:44, 11 April 2020 (UTC)

There seem to be more sources supporting the title CCTV Headquarters like OMA website and this page. CMG official still seems to be using the name CCTV Headquarters like official Twitter and official website after CMG was founded. --MetroLe (talk) 03:50, 17 April 2020 (UTC)

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