Talk:Cafeteria Catholicism

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I added this page, using information found in the Web-sites listed in the references. I hope this article is useful and shows NPOV. As is ever the case, feel free to expand and edit to your heart's content.--ManicBrit 13:38, 31 October 2007 (UTC)

Who created this concept, can we find an author and a source for that. Is this different from Cultural Christian or should it be merged? -- Sverdrup (talk) 00:55, 23 March 2008 (UTC)

Other denominations

I believe this article to be biased. Are there articles on cultural Lutherans or Baptists? Not trying to seem extreme but this is mildly anti-Catholic. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 96.11.145.85 (talk) 03:56, 31 July 2009 (UTC)

Merge/Move

The article says "Cultural Catholic" is synonymous with Cafeteria Catholic. Should we merge/move this into Cafeteria Catholic? And redirect Cultural Catholic to Cafeteria Catholic? Lionelt (talk) 01:31, 26 June 2009 (UTC)

People and institution

One possible cause for the cultural Catholic phenomenon is that in terms of ecclesiology, the Church is often defined in alternative ways : the Church as a people and the Church as a sacramental institution. When these two ideas of the Church begin to contrast, it is usually then that the cultural Christian phenomenon begins to emerge. See for instance the article people of God which describes the Church as people, and contrast it to the encyclical Ecclesia de Eucharistia which is more centered on the sacramental definition. Another way to explain this is that most Irish people are Catholic, but not all Irish Catholics are Catholic in the sense that the Roman Catholic magisterium and episcopal hierarchy interprets the self-understanding of the Church. In this sense, it is possible to be much more Irish, Italian or Spanish than Catholic, while maintaining a dual or multiple cultural identity that is often in conflict. ADM (talk) 17:33, 29 July 2009 (UTC)

Page Moved

I moved this page to Cafeteria Catholicism because I could not find a single reference to Cultural Catholic outside a website that is named "Cultural Catholic," but has nothing to do with what was being claimed in the article. Also, the old text was WP:OR and the few references were found to be nonexistent.Malke2010 15:21, 4 June 2010 (UTC)

"In some European nations including Brazil, more than half of baptised Catholics support birth control."

Huh? Did someone move Brazil and not tell me about it?.45Colt 10:22, 26 March 2014 (UTC)

Early uses

Currently, we have an "early" use in print from 1986. If Google Books is correct in identifying this source, that's a full fifteen years earlier. --Nat Gertler (talk) 22:04, 30 November 2016 (UTC)

Move discussion in progress

There is a move discussion in progress on Talk:Cultural catholic which affects this page. Please participate on that page and not in this talk page section. Thank you. —RMCD bot 09:02, 18 July 2018 (UTC)

Why "cafeteria"?

A note would be good to explain. Equinox ◑ 16:47, 6 November 2018 (UTC)

I thought it was pretty clear "a little of this and none of that" like at a buffet or a cafeteria, pick and choose which Catholics aren't supposed to do. I'd heard the term "á-la-carte Catholic" before but Cafeteria Catholic was new to me. -- 109.79.166.32 (talk) 15:38, 10 February 2019 (UTC)

"Dissenting catholic" listed at Redirects for discussion

The redirect Dissenting catholic has been listed at redirects for discussion to determine whether its use and function meets the redirect guidelines. Readers of this page are welcome to comment on this redirect at Wikipedia:Redirects for discussion/Log/2023 March 20 § Dissenting catholic until a consensus is reached. — Red-tailed hawk _(nest) 06:11, 20 March 2023 (UTC)

Undiscussed move

@KlayCax: You have moved this page without any discussion, and refactored the opening so it's discussing "dissenting Catholic" -- a term which appears in neither of the sources being used to support that sentence. Significant portions of the article are specifically about discussion of the term "cafeteria Catholic". During discussion of "dissenting catholic", there was not consensus even that this was the right page for it to redirect to. This is not an uncontroversial move. Please undo your move, and seek consensus before restoring it. -- Nat Gertler (talk) 18:48, 23 September 2023 (UTC)

I've reverted the undiscussed move. — Red-tailed hawk _(nest) 14:27, 1 November 2023 (UTC)

"Talk:Cultural catholic" listed at Redirects for discussion

The redirect Talk:Cultural catholic has been listed at redirects for discussion to determine whether its use and function meets the redirect guidelines. Readers of this page are welcome to comment on this redirect at Wikipedia:Redirects for discussion/Log/2023 November 1 § Talk:Cultural catholic until a consensus is reached. — Red-tailed hawk _(nest) 14:51, 1 November 2023 (UTC)

Pejorative term

It is most likely right that this article should keep the title it already has. It is a phrase with a history, and has been the focus of far too many discussions of various kinds to simply wipe it away. At the same time, the phrase "cafeteria Catholic" (and its "-ism" form) are perfect examples of people pretending that juvenile name-calling qualifies as reasoned discourse. It is no less of a pejorative term than the lower kinds of slurs that Catholicism itself has been subject to (i.e. it is certainly not so respectful as "Papist").

I suggest that the very first sentence of this article should state clearly that "cafeteria Catholicism" is a pejorative term, and that another sentence somewhere in the lead section should clarify that use of this term is always intended to stifle debate. (In other words, the type of introduction that any average Catholic would prefer to see in front of religious slurs that have been directed at themselves or their fellow Catholics.) TooManyFingers (talk) 22:37, 17 August 2024 (UTC)

We would need very good sourcing for any claim that it is "always intended to stifle debate". -- Nat Gertler (talk) 00:16, 18 August 2024 (UTC)