Talk:Cap Anson

Comment [Number of hits]

The article incorrectly states that Major league baseball does not recognize stats from the National Association. However MLB.com lists his 7th all time in hits http://mlb.mlb.com/NASApp/mlb/mlb/history/milestones/index.jsp?feature=three_thousand_h which would have to include his NA stats.

• The NA is not officially recognized by MLB.com as a 'major' league. Most historians ignore that official designation though and hope that one day MLB changes their mind. It is curious that MLB.com includes the NA numbers though. Perhaps they are warming up to the idea of the NA being 'official'. Or perhaps the people who run the website made a mistake. DavidRF 19:04, 6 October 2006 (UTC).
  • Research by baseball historians has set his likely hit figure as 3012. (omitting 413 in NA, which is was a haphazard type of league, omitting the 60 walks originally counted as hits in 1887, and evaluating his disputed hits in some years. Figures like 3081, 2995, 2996, 3000-even, and 3418 are discredited figures with most responsible historians. —The preceding unsigned comment was added by Ellyabe (talk • contribs) 17:50, June 6, 2007.

• Interestingly enough, a different page on MLB's site, in their all-time stats section, lists him in 25th place, with 3011 career hits. (When you arrive at that page, you'll see the players sorted by batting average. Click on the H in the header to sort by hits.) His player page also shows 3011 hits, and only lists his years in the National League. bjkeefe (talk) 16:37, 27 May 2012 (UTC)

MLB does not recognize the National Association. MLB.com does not count Anson's NA statistics in his career totals, as is reflected on his stat page, as noted above. The article is incorrect in stating that MLB counts his NA statistics so I am changing it accordingly. Vidor (talk) 00:29, 21 August 2012 (UTC)

Article Quality

I've been rating Hall of Fame bios, and this is the best article on a pre dead-ball player I've come across. With not too much work, I think this could pass a Good Article assessment. If any of the regular editors here decide to make a go at it, let me know. I'd be glad to help. --Djrobgordon 05:49, 1 February 2007 (UTC)

I see that it might not actually take that work to get this up to GA, I will go through it in the next couple of days to see what I can do to put some finishing touches on this.Neonblak ^talk - 06:42, 5 January 2009 (UTC)

Presumably you'll come up with a checklist of things to work on. I'll be watching. :) Baseball Bugs ^{What's up, Doc?} 00:02, 6 January 2009 (UTC)

Death

What the hell is a "glandular ailment"?!

It's an ailment that affects the glands. Hope that helps. :) 18:51, 27 July 2007 (UTC)

There is no entry for this term in WP. A search yields two other people with unspecified glandular ailment: Norman Chaney (child actor who played Chubby in Our Gang) and James Church Cropsey (NYC Police Commissioner and State Supreme Court Judge), both of whom died in the 1930s. Chaney died at age 21, short and overweight since childhood (see photos at https://news.amomama.com/242522-short-life-tragic-death-the-little-rasca.html), possibly suffering from a deficiency in growth hormone, a pituitary gland excretion. Even today, autopsies are often vague, so I doubt we will ever get more details about Anson's cause of death. Martindo (talk) 00:57, 9 October 2022 (UTC)

Racism

The book 27 Men Out by Michael Coffey talks about the incident with Fleetwood Walker and Anson's refusal to play with black players, whom he dubbed "chocolate covered coons" (p. 200). I think this quote would put a finer point on the section referencing his racism and highlight the negative racial attitudes at a time not considered to be one of great racial tension (such as the Civil War or the 1960's). -- HurricaneERIC - Class of '08: XVII Maius MMVIII 06:32, 10 August 2008 (UTC)

• Such as his referring to the team mascot as a "no-account n****r". Baseball Bugs ^{What's up, Doc?} 00:04, 6 January 2009 (UTC)
• I do think the racial intolerance section is too easy on Anson. Right now, the excerpt mitigating his impact on the game is longer than the section on his actual racism. His racism is extensively documented, and deserves more discussion than one book excerpt saying that he does not deserve all of the blame for the color line. Especially since the article never suggests that he DID deserve all of the blame for the color line. 24.193.54.240 (talk) 22:55, 17 March 2011 (UTC)

I'm all for including Anson's quote if properly sourced. There's no reason to sugarcoat his racism. I would also favor removing the unencyclopedic characterization of Anson as a "whipping boy." I wouldn't agree with the characterization of Anson's time as "not considered to be one of great racial tension"; the 1880s and 1890s were marked by lynchings and increasing racial hostility, and indeed are often described as the beginning of the nadir of American race relations. But that doesn't reduce the need to state Anson's racial attitudes forthrightly. Pirate Dan (talk) 02:22, 20 March 2011 (UTC)

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First to 3000 Hits

Article says: "...and probably the first to tally over 3,000 career hits."

Written by somebody who doesn't understand how baseball stats are kept and cherished. Numerous sources confirm he was the first, and only, until Honus Wagnus and Nap Lajoie joined the club 17 years later. 74.104.189.176 (talk) 12:57, 20 March 2022 (UTC)

• This comment is written by someone who doesn’t understand how baseball stats are kept and cherished. Whether or not he was the first to 3,000 hits hinges on three points: Is the National Association a “Major League,” should walks be counted as hits in 1887 as they actually were that year, and were all his hits properly recorded in the statistical record, which has changed way more than you think over the years as researchers have compared game records with official statistical tallies. This is why the “multiple sources” you mention actually differ on his hit total. The article does a great job of covering this. Come back when you understand baseball statistics. Indrian (talk) 14:00, 20 March 2022 (UTC)