Talk:Celebrity Big Brother (British TV series) series 18

Names?

We've previously used the credited names/stagenames as headers - Scotty T, Scoop, Frenchy, Dappy, Harvey. Even as far back as Goldie in CBB2. Should we keep this for Biggins, Bear and Heavy D? I did this but it got reverted and I was told to discuss here. ThisIsDanny (talk) 22:11, 29 July 2016 (UTC)

I'd say yes for Heavy D. I'm not sure about Biggins and Bear though? They seem more like nicknames rather than stagenames. — RachelRice (talk, contribs) — 01:27, 30 July 2016 (UTC)

Biggins and Bear are their real surnames - they're not nicknames or stage names. Jim Michael (talk) 19:03, 12 August 2016 (UTC)

Nominations table

Biggins obviously nominated Heavy, Lewis and Saira and now they're immune. But they all nominated today (Day 4) including Biggins. So do we have another column for this and have "none" for against public vote and eviction for the secret boss nominations - or something else? Not sure how it would work. Opinions? ThisIsDanny (talk) 22:04, 31 July 2016 (UTC)

Doesn't matter, an IP just changed it as I was typing this ThisIsDanny (talk) 22:05, 31 July 2016 (UTC)

I was just going to suggest splitting Biggins' row into two like:

Biggins	Saira, Lewis, Heavy D
	TBA, TBA

But I suppose it wouldn't work as he wasn't the Secret Boss for both nominations. — RachelRice (talk, contribs) — 22:32, 31 July 2016 (UTC)

I was thinking this also actually, it's a good idea but the bottom one would have to be yellow since he's not Secret Boss anymore. Also how it is now it says Day 2 - he made nominations on Day 1, 2 and 3. Sort of want to wait until someone else has an opinion on it though to avoid drama after last time. ThisIsDanny (talk) 22:36, 31 July 2016 (UTC)

Never mind you changed that as well oops ThisIsDanny (talk) 22:38, 31 July 2016 (UTC)

Actually, I just checked Celebrity Big Brother 6 and we used Day 5; when the final nomination was made. So we'd use Day 3 in this situation? — RachelRice (talk, contribs) — 22:42, 31 July 2016 (UTC)

Yeah we used the rule for Celebrity Big Brother 14 too ThisIsDanny (talk)

We don't need two separate columns for this because Biggins first 'nominations' don't count as they were for immunity --MSalmon (talk) 17:27, 1 August 2016 (UTC)

He didn't know they were for immunity though. Plus we included Jenna and Farrah's nominations last year in Celebrity Big Brother 16 when they thought it was real but actually it was immunity. ThisIsDanny (talk) 17:29, 1 August 2016 (UTC)

That was different though because whoever they didn't select faced eviction --MSalmon (talk) 17:31, 1 August 2016 (UTC)

Considering it's a nominations table and not an eviction table, I personally think they should be included, regardless of their outcome. — RachelRice (talk, contribs) — 19:06, 1 August 2016 (UTC)

This is just my opinion but I don't think they should be included MSalmon (talk) 19:27, 1 August 2016 (UTC)

Eternal nomination votes?

Do we include these? ThisIsDanny (talk) 21:58, 5 August 2016 (UTC)

It would have to be separate column for the actual nominations this week. ThisIsDanny (talk) 21:58, 5 August 2016 (UTC)

No because the housemates should nominate this weekend to find out who will join Bear MSalmon (talk) 22:08, 5 August 2016 (UTC)

I have added a separate column for these. Each housemate nominated another housemate to face eviction, I cannot see how this wouldn't constitute a round of nominations. That is seperate to the nominations due to be made this weekend, as it effects the nominations for the rest of the season and not just the upcoming round. 12bigbrother12 (talk) 08:49, 6 August 2016 (UTC)

Yes, because it forms an integral part of the nomination process. It was stage 1 of the nomination process. Table should be renamed, not vital info. left out. Leaky Caldron 11:11, 6 August 2016 (UTC)

I was going to suggest just keeping it separate, like the Suitcase Nominations in Big Brother 5. — RachelRice (talk, contribs) — 11:43, 6 August 2016 (UTC)

Why? I Suggest you think about the readers, who prefer to see things in simple context with each other in one table. I mean, you are not disputing that these were nominations? The HMs NOMINATED him to get an eternal NOMINATION. Couldn't be clearer. Leaky Caldron 17:13, 6 August 2016 (UTC)

To be fair after watching it back, they never once said they were nominating, they simply said voting for who received eternal nomination - I think that's what they're getting at. They aren't "official" nominations, A bit like BB17 when the housemates evicted Chelsea, they all voted but it wasn't "official". I can't think of another way of describing it. I don't mind it either way if they're included in the table or not, although I do think they should be somewhere in the article. However since they aren't "official" nominations should we include them in the nominations received column? But at the moment it has Bear is in the evicted column. This needs to be changed. ThisIsDanny (talk) 17:23, 6 August 2016 (UTC)

The nomination totals are, and has been for 10 years, unsourced data. In fact, if asked, you would struggle to provide a WP:RS for any of the detailed nomination table content. The totals have no meaning and the column should be dropped. Leaky Caldron 17:57, 6 August 2016 (UTC)

Back on subject, I'd agree with ThisIsDanny. They aren't official nominations, and I personally think it'd make much more sense to stick them in the notes section or a sub-heading beneath the nominations table. I'm thinking about the readers by making it less confusing for them. It was just my opinion, I'm not fussed either way. — RachelRice (talk, contribs) — 23:57, 6 August 2016 (UTC)

There is no such thing as "official" nominations. Is there a WP:RS for an "official" nomination? No. Time has moved on from the weekly diary room and it's about time our articles reflected that every series there will be one or more weeks where one or more HMs are identified for some eviction related outcome by one or more HMs outside of the diary room. That's why it should be renamed as a voting table. There is nothing more confusing to a reader than having to look in different places for connected information. Leaky Caldron 09:17, 7 August 2016 (UTC)

This is just like the Big Brother 17 (UK) eviction votes all over again MSalmon (talk) 09:31, 7 August 2016 (UTC)

Without causing more drama, if we have a "Voting Table" which includes nominations, votes to evict, eternal nomination votes, "non-official" nominations, save and replace votes, all of the things we have these days, you could argue that including all of those is much more difficult to understand than a Nominations Table which simply has nominations and explains everything else such as the twists in the notes. It's a matter of opinion to be honest, there's no right or wrong I don't think. ThisIsDanny (talk) 10:08, 7 August 2016 (UTC)

Readers like tables. Means they do not need to read too much. Leaky Caldron 10:12, 7 August 2016 (UTC)

In response to your comment about time moving on from nominations, Celebrity Big Brother 17 had six instances of nominations out of seven, and Big Brother 17 had five instances of nominations out of seven, so I disagree that nomination tables have lost their purpose as you have argued several times. And in response to your comment about readers not having to read too much with the use of tables, adding in nomination substitutes such as the eternal nomination vote would probably involve more reading and comprehension. — RachelRice (talk, contribs) — 13:33, 7 August 2016 (UTC)

Chloe's eviction

How should this look in the Noms table at the bottom in the evicted column? ThisIsDanny (talk) 21:42, 12 August 2016 (UTC)

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