Talk:Chŏng Tojŏn

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Requested move 7 July 2024

The following is a closed discussion of a requested move. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made in a new section on the talk page. Editors desiring to contest the closing decision should consider a move review after discussing it on the closer's talk page. No further edits should be made to this discussion.

The result of the move request was: Page moved. (closed by non-admin page mover) Jerium (talk) 11:27, 14 July 2024 (UTC)

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Jeong Do-jeon → Chŏng To-jŏn – Per WP:NCKO, McCune–Reischauer romanization should be used for pre-1945 Korean names. According to Google NGram Viewer, use of Jeong Do-jeon spiked around 2006, but cumulatively, Chong Tojon and Chong To-jon have been in much greater use. English academic articles on Korean history still predominantly use McCune-Reischauer romanization, and Chŏng Tojŏn and Chŏng To-jŏn enjoy greater currency. Per WP:NCKO, I suggest the hyphenated given name, Chŏng To-jŏn. This move request is in keeping with the move request for Jeong Mong-ju. Motjustescribe (talk) 02:19, 7 July 2024 (UTC)

• Oppose. Since English language does not contain accents or diacritics, transliterations into English from languages that do not use the Latin alphabet likewise should not contain any marks that are not part of English. —Roman Spinner (talk • contribs) 03:05, 7 July 2024 (UTC)

  This stance also clearly contradicts MOS:DIACRITICS and WP:COMMONNAME. At this point, I'm skeptical that there's any foundation for your argument past disliking diacritics. 211.43.120.242 (talk) 07:41, 7 July 2024 (UTC)

Support Note that @Roman Spinner's opposition comes in context of this move: Talk:Kwansŏ and this active discussion Talk:Jeong Mong-ju#Requested move 4 July 2024. The first discussion their opposition was strongly overruled because guidelines in WP:NCKO are clear at the moment. That said, they have a window for changing NCKO altogether; I don't understand why they don't just make a clean proposal once instead of doing this... At this point, given that they've been overruled strongly once, local precedent is an even less convincing argument. Please reconsider doing this over and over; I'll be here each time with the same response. 211.43.120.242 (talk) 07:31, 7 July 2024 (UTC)

• Support - Per arguments made by nom, WP:NCKO clearly states that M-R romanization should be used for pre-1945 historical figures such as Chŏng To-jŏn. Regarding diacritics for M-R, a April 2024 RFC has made it clear that "There is a strong consensus to amend this naming convention to allow for the use of special characters in article titles using McCune–Reischauer romanization, but only if they are a part of the WP:COMMONNAME of the article topic." ⁂CountHacker (talk) 21:27, 8 July 2024 (UTC)
• Support per above. Malerisch (talk) 19:17, 9 July 2024 (UTC)

The discussion above is closed. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page. No further edits should be made to this discussion.

Was Chong To-jon Chief State Councillor?

The Yeonguijeong article says the position was created in 1400. If so, how was Chong Chief State Councilor from 1392 to 1398? Was he in an equivalent position of a different name? -- 00101984hjw (talk) 17:48, 31 August 2024 (UTC)