Talk:Christianity and other religions

ZOROASTRIANISM'S "Link" TO JUDAISM UNPROVEN.

I don't know about the other entries, but this proposed link between Zoroastrainism and Judaism and Christianity does not exist. Some cultural traditions, might be inspired through Zoroastrianism, through intermarriage between Jews and others, but that doesn't mean Zoroastrianism necessarily is responsible for Judaism in anyway shape or form. This article about Zoroastrianism being the grandaddy of Christianity is utterly unproven. -TheEpicLevelHandbook

Christianity and Ancient Egyptian Religion

There are parallels between the Christian idea of the God who is the son of God and comes to Earth as a man and dies and rises to heaven to become God again and the Egyptian myth of Osiris and Horus. This concept was common in the Middle East for thousands of years BC. The Mithra story has elements of it. Seth is probably Satan. The obvious counterpart to Isis is Mary. (The Holy Spirit as God's {Osiris's} detached penis? Maybe this is too much of a stretch.)

Requested move 24 February 2020

The following is a closed discussion of a requested move. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made in a new section on the talk page. Editors desiring to contest the closing decision should consider a move review after discussing it on the closer's talk page. No further edits should be made to this discussion.

The result of the move request was: no consensus. – wbm1058 (talk) 22:55, 10 April 2020 (UTC)

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Christianity and other religions → ? – The phrase "and other religions" is vague since with its position in the title, the scope of the article can be assumed to be about all religions ... since "Christianity and other religions" = "all religions". To remove the potential confusion with this article title, some possible suggestions on where to move it (that I can think of) are Relationship of Christianity with other religions or Relations of Christianity with other religions. (I'm essentially neutral to any proposal ... but I oppose the current name and I oppose any title that includes the phrase "and other religions".) Steel1943 (talk) 20:52, 24 February 2020 (UTC) —Relisting. BegbertBiggs (talk) 22:01, 2 March 2020 (UTC)—Relisting. © Tbhotch^™ (en-3). 18:56, 23 March 2020 (UTC)

Support title Relationship of Christianity with other religions, it makes most sense.--Farang Rak Tham (Talk) 10:21, 25 February 2020 (UTC)

Comment: if this is changed, then it should probably be implemented as a naming convention to other religion relationship articles to create a WP:CONSISTENT style. Buddhism and Eastern religions, Hinduism and other religions, and Islam and other religions (might be others as well). --Gonnym (talk) 08:53, 4 March 2020 (UTC)

Comment: Relations between Christianity and other religions would be a better title (and fits article titles for relations between countries), but I agree this should be done as a naming convention rather than as a one-off. jamacfarlane (talk) 00:14, 25 March 2020 (UTC)

• Weak oppose. Relations between Christianity and other religions would be acceptable, but it's a line call at best as to whether it's a better title. The meaning is unchanged. It would be clearer to some speakers of English as a second language, and English Wikipedia is for all English speakers. But at the cost of being less concise and no more precise. Andrewa (talk) 17:11, 31 March 2020 (UTC)

Proposed close

@Steel1943, Farang Rak Tham, Gonnym, Jamacfarlane, and Andrewa: The lead sentence of this article, which is not concise as written, suggests its obvious title:

Christianity and other religions documents Christianity's relationship with other world religions, and the differences and similarities.

Christianity and other religionsThis article documents Christianity's relationship with other world religions, and the differences and similarities.

Any objections to moving to Christianity's relationship with other world religions. Speak up now if you object, or I'll move it there. – wbm1058 (talk) 03:41, 10 April 2020 (UTC)

• @Wbm1058: Thanks for the Ping. Remove the word "world" from that, and you got a "weak support" from me. Steel1943 (talk) 03:56, 10 April 2020 (UTC)
• Asked and answered above.--Farang Rak Tham (Talk) 06:33, 10 April 2020 (UTC)
• Still a weak oppose. Both Christianity's relationship with other world religions and Christianity's relationship with other religions are acceptable titles, but the meaning is unchanged from the current title, and so it's not obvious to me that anything is gained. Andrewa (talk) 07:13, 10 April 2020 (UTC)

@Steel1943, Farang Rak Tham, Gonnym, Jamacfarlane, and Andrewa: see my notes below, and feel free to add your thoughts. Participation here has been thin so this should probably be expanded to a more meta-discussion to try to get more participation and a stronger consensus. But, after making my notes, I'd like your opinion on Christianity and other religions → Comparison of Christianity with other religions, which may help guide the start of any followup discussion. That title would more clearly frame the article as a comparative religion topic. – wbm1058 (talk) 15:36, 10 April 2020 (UTC)

Notes

• On 15 October 2018, Mr. Guye tagged the article with {{lead too short}}, and the lead hasn't changed a bit since that date.
• At 04:46, 8 September 2007‎ Yahel Guhan moved Christianity and world religions to Christianity and other religions: consistency with other religion titles
• Category:Christianity and other religions is the main category for this title; a page move here implies a rename to the category as well. The category scope is "Articles concerning the relationships between Christianity and other religions."
• The current title falls in line with the de facto naming convention at Category:Relationships between religions.
• Comparing selected ledes:
  • Hinduism and other religions: In the field of comparative religion, many scholars, academics, religious figures have looked at the relationships between Hinduism and other religions.
  • Islam and other religions: Over the centuries of Islamic history, Muslim rulers, Islamic scholars, and ordinary Muslims have held many different attitudes towards other religions. Attitudes have varied according to time, place and circumstance.
  • Scientology and other religions: The relationship between Scientology and other religions is very complex. While Scientology claims that it is fully compatible with all existing major world religions and that it does not conflict with them or their religious practices, there are major differences in beliefs and practices between Scientology and most religions, especially the major monotheistic religions. Members are not allowed to engage in other similar mental therapies or procedures, religious or otherwise. However, some ministers from other churches have adopted some Scientology secular programs.
  • Hermetism and other religions: This is a comparative religion article which outlines the similarities and interactions between Hermeticism (or Hermetism) and other religions or philosophies.
• Category:Relationships between religions is a subcategory of Category:Comparative religion. What is the difference between these cats – should the "relationships" category be merged into Category:Comparative religion?
  • Comparative religion is the branch of the study of religions concerned with the systematic comparison of the doctrines and practices of the world's religions.
  • Comparative religion is the branch of religious studies concerned with the systematic comparison of the similarities and differences in themes, myths, rituals and concepts of the religions of the world.
  • There is no main article Relationships between religions for Category:Relationships between religions. Perhaps Relationships between religions should just redirect to Comparative religion.
  • Category:Relationships between religions was created on 14 August 2016‎; Category:Comparative religion was created on 7 July 2018‎, both by Marcocapelle. Perhaps they can answer my question. – wbm1058 (talk) 15:21, 10 April 2020 (UTC)
    • It is two very different topics. Comparative religion is an academic subject, and just focusing on similarities and differences. On the other hand Category:Relationships between religions is not limited to the academic world, and not limited to similarities and differences. Honestly I think that Category:Relationships between religions should be the parent category of Category:Comparative religion rather than vice versa. Marcocapelle (talk) 15:55, 10 April 2020 (UTC)

Current lead reads Christianity and other religions documents Christianity's relationship with other world religions, and the differences and similarities. As such it's an overview of both comparitive religion and relationship matters, and the current title Christianity and other religions seems to describe that succinctly and well. IMO it's a good topic and I think I'd oppose rescoping. Andrewa (talk) 22:13, 10 April 2020 (UTC)

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Christianity's relationship with Atheism

Echoing The Fading Light's comment in 2009, a section about Christianity and Atheism needs to be added. 〜 Festucalex • talk 23:18, 21 April 2023 (UTC)