Talk:C. Quintana

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Requested move 7 February 2022

The following is a closed discussion of a requested move. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made in a new section on the talk page. Editors desiring to contest the closing decision should consider a move review after discussing it on the closer's talk page. No further edits should be made to this discussion.

The result of the move request was: moved. (closed by non-admin page mover) Extraordinary Writ (talk) 04:02, 14 February 2022 (UTC)

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Christina Quintana → C. Quintana – The writer no longer goes by the previous name and now refers to herself by the gender-nonconforming C. Quintana and would greatly appreciate the name shift. 100.2.0.249 (talk) 23:35, 6 February 2022 (UTC)

• The sources refer to her as Christina Quintana. Dr. Vogel (talk) 23:50, 6 February 2022 (UTC)
• A similar request [1] was made and turned down a few days ago. 162 etc. (talk) 00:33, 7 February 2022 (UTC)
  • This in an unacceptable title, and^{Request was changed after this comment} a redirect has been made at C. Quintana, however until we can see through some sort of reliable independant sourcing that WP:NAMECHANGES applies we are left with the primary premise of WP:COMMONNAME which tells us to use the common name used by reliable sources. McMatter ^(talk)/_(contrib) 01:59, 7 February 2022 (UTC)
    • @Mcmatter, 162 etc., and DrVogel: Under MOS:DEADNAME, we follow the person's latest expressed gender self-identification as reported in the most recent reliable sources, even if it does not match what is most common in sources. There is no requirement that those be independent reliable sources. Something like a personal website or Twitter account is reliable for such purposes under WP:ABOUTSELF. As such, https://www.cquintana.com/ and https://mobile.twitter.com/cquintanatown should be enough to establish that DEADNAME applies. This article should be moved to C. Quintana, as we routinely do with the articles of trans, nonbinary, and gender non-conforming people who change their names. -- Tamzin^{[cetacean needed]} (she/they) 04:08, 7 February 2022 (UTC)

• This is a contested technical request (permalink). Extraordinary Writ (talk) 04:50, 7 February 2022 (UTC)
• To reiterate the above, strong move. This is a straightforward application of MOS:DEADNAME, and I would have made the move unilaterally if I'd seen this request first. We do not require widespread adoption in independent sources before moving to a trans/nonbinary/gender nonconforming person's new name. -- Tamzin^{[cetacean needed]} (she/they) 05:00, 7 February 2022 (UTC)
• Oppose for now Support. There was no request for widespread adoption. Only that according to WP:NAMECHANGES, a title policy, we just need to see a new independent reliable source that refers to them by their new abbreviated name. As stated in their previous declined request this is only a change to how to they refer to themselves professionally not an actual name change. As near as I can tell they currently have no significant work under this abbreviated name or even coverage under this new name. I think WP:DEADNAME lacks guidance in this case. It speaks more about if they were notable before and after or just after. In this case, they are notable for things under their full name prior to this recent name change. If I had found any independent reliable source which referred to them by this new professional name I would have moved the article last time instead of just making the redirect. I imagine we will soon see something to support the move.McMatter ^(talk)/_(contrib) 06:05, 7 February 2022 (UTC)

  @Mcmatter: DEADNAME says that we refer to people how they ask to be referred to, now not later. Are you saying that if long-retired actor John Doe transitions to Jane Doe, the article should begin "John Doe is an actress"? Obviously the same rules that apply to pronouns and gendered terms must apply to names, at least when the thing that's changed about the name has gendered aspects. Making trans people wait for independent sources to pick up on a name change is the exact kind of insensitive bureaucracy this language was added to DEADNAME to prevent. -- Tamzin^{[cetacean needed]} (she/they) 07:42, 7 February 2022 (UTC)

  @Tamzin:, That's not what I am saying or what I said. If this was a clear case of gender re-affirmation then I would agree. However this request is a pen-name change, they are now going professionally by their initials. It was only in this most recent request by an unconfirmed IP that it is a gender-identity related change and judging by the choice of language used not by the the actual subject. The last request which seemed more likely written by the subject, but still unconfirmed, stated it was only a professional name change like a business and that would mean WP:NAMECHANGES and WP:SPNC applies. McMatter ^(talk)/_(contrib) 15:53, 7 February 2022 (UTC)

  Okay. I've emailed the address on Quintana's website to ask if she can clarify the reasons for her name change. -- Tamzin^{[cetacean needed]} (she/they) 16:18, 7 February 2022 (UTC)

  See https://twitter.com/cquintanatown/status/1490734729796149253, confirming that this is a personal name change related to being nonbinary/GNC, not just a professional rebranding. -- Tamzin^{[cetacean needed]} (she/they) 17:17, 7 February 2022 (UTC)

  Moved to support. McMatter ^(talk)/_(contrib) 18:51, 7 February 2022 (UTC)

• STRONG support move per MOS:DEADNAME. The source above indicates that it's a personal gender-identity-related name change (and not just, like, a professional rebranding) — and we should absolutely respect that. Paintspot Infez (talk) 18:11, 7 February 2022 (UTC)
• Support. MOS:DEADNAME. Showiecz (talk) 14:52, 10 February 2022 (UTC)

The discussion above is closed. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page. No further edits should be made to this discussion.