Talk:Chuggington

References etc

Hi, I've added a section about the purchase of the series etc and added a couple of references - if I get time I might try and do some more work on this article as it needs more adding in terms of references and other info (such as the deal with Learning Curve to produce toys).

One thought - would it be better to have the Episode Guide as a separate page? If there are 52 episodes in the first series, even at five per week it will quickly get too long...

PoolieAlbatross (talk) 19:45, 22 January 2009 (UTC)

Moved :) MGD11 (MGD11) 17:34, 28 February 2009 (GMT)

Right, I've done some of the work - any characters on the CBeebies pages are referenced there (somewhat inexpertly, I'll try and do it better if someone else doesn't do it before I get there). While doing this, I have noticed that some of the stuff for the Characters has been lifted in its entirity from the Ludorum Chuggington site - the next job therefore is to re-write those that have been copied and pasted.

PoolieAlbatross (talk) 19:53, 23 January 2009 (UTC)

Badge Quest

• This article mentions two series, but the episode list has a Badge Quest series in between. There's no explaination of this series here or there- are they cut down eps? Anyone with any refs to expalin this?Biscit (talk) 07:54, 30 June 2011 (UTC)
• The Badge Quest stories look like independent stories, not like other stories cut down. Anthony Appleyard (talk) 09:46, 30 July 2011 (UTC)

Up for deletion

Category:Chuggington is up for deletion here: Wikipedia:Categories_for_discussion/Log/2011_May_2#Category:Chuggington Andy Dingley (talk) 08:17, 4 May 2011 (UTC)

"Voiced by" and others.

I've reverted this change again, as it's not entirely accurate. The voice characters listed are a mix of the UK and US voice actors - listing both Roger Bumpass & Sacha Dhawan together, for example, and in some cases they have obviously just been pasted in, leading to blank sections after the "voiced by" statement. This is bad form, and blindly reverting just shows a lack of attention.

I've also taken out some of the very minor characters that are only ever seen as cameos, or in some cases not even seen at all - such as "Cannonball" who is only ever referenced once by Ol' Puffer Pete in a single story. Such minor instances don't warrant inclusion, unless they reappear, in which case they would be "recurring characters" a_man_alone (talk) 07:14, 30 July 2011 (UTC)

Zephy - what is she?

Hi ... as with most characters, there is mention in the article of what Zephy appears to be based on. Difficult to reference such things, and I think that's understood!

Zephy certainly appears to be a scissor lift, I just wonder if she's actually meant to be a Funicular carriage, as I've never seen a passenger scissor lift. A Funicular (one of those inclined carriages used to climb the side of a steep hill) is much more likely to be seen by the age group that watches this programme, and her upper design looks a lot like the appearance of one of those.

Just a thought, — Preceding unsigned comment added by 94.8.124.250 (talk) 08:38, 30 July 2011 (UTC)

I suspect she's a fictional design - scissor lifts do exist, obviously, but as you point out they're not generally covered, or for passengers. This and this is the best example in real life I could find, but there's no mention of what make & model they are. a_man_alone (talk) 09:38, 30 July 2011 (UTC)

Thanks to my two year old son, I'm getting to watch a lot of Chuggington. The Episode "Chugger of the year" has the mayor turn up with a train-spotting nephew called Denzil. He gives identities for a number of the trains (Specifically, he names Zephy as a Direct Drive System Trolley and Hodge as a Six wheel Dandy Diesel). It does make me wonder what the source for some of the stuff on this page is, whilst the BBC chuggington site does give some descriptions there is no reason to believe that was accurate, could just be reasonable guess work. That being so, some of the wording needs to change to reflect that the character "Wis based on" or "resembles" a real world chugger rather than "is". — Preceding unsigned comment added by 94.8.124.250 (talk) 18:25, 29 August 2011 (UTC)

Valid point, but unless wildly and obviously inaccurate, ("BBC states Action Chugger is really Superman in disguise!") BBC is considered a reliable source, especially in the absense of anything else. I'd like to blame my kids for me watching Chuggington too, but that would not be entirely true - beats the pants off Thomas for sure. a_man_alone (talk) 19:04, 29 August 2011 (UTC)

Spot on with everything except the BBC reliability bit! They are a secondary source, not a primary one, so even if what they've said is based on more than guess work it still needs to be treated with care. If you go to the wikia link at the bottom you'll see they identify some of the chuggers very specifically to trains you can't even google for. Unfortunately they've been sloppy with their referencing, but I'd hazard a guess someone posting there has better info than the BBC. I did have a look on the official website, but as it's an apalling slow flash-crash I got bored. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 94.8.124.250 (talk) 21:09, 29 August 2011 (UTC)

Vee: a person?

Okay, so on the article, Vee is listed under the subsection "human characters", which originally confused me somewhat. Reading the description next to her name and seeing that she was said to be an actual person who simply communicated via the speakers and for whatever reason hadn't been seen in person yet just confused me even more. My confusion is caused by the fact that Vee is, quite obviously (well, I had thought it was quite obvious until now) a computer/robot or whatever you want to call it, and the speakers (the ones located on her "traffic light post-like body" that seem to act as her arms as well as those not attached to her "body" scattered around Chuggington) themselves are essentially a part of her. Surely, I can't be the only one who's actually seen this show who thinks this. There's even substantial evidence found throughout the show that confirms this.

For example, in the episode "Rolling Reporter Wilson", some of the trains ask Vee how they will watch Wilson's televised report, to which she responds by saying "You'll be able to see it on my monitors." (or something to that extent, the words may not all be exactly right, it's been a while), thereby indicating that the monitor is a part of her; I'm sure that if it was some woman talking to them through the speakers from some undisclosed location wherever, she would have almost certainly said "the monitors", because what other possible reason could she have for saying "my monitors"? After all, if she's just a woman, she doesn't own them and they're certainly not a part of her, they're just something that's a part of the device she communicates with them through, or at least that's what the article would have you believe.

Then, in "Hodge's Secret" (I think it is), after Hodge drops the load of bricks onto the junction box (or whatever he does that ends up breaking it, again, it's been a while), Vee begins to malfunction, and starts moving erratically and speaking gibberish. Now, I'm sure anyone thinking even remotely logically would certainly come to the conclusion that such a thing could only possibly happen if Vee was wired into (and controlled by) the system which Hodge caused to malfunction. In other words, if the "body" of Vee that we see is indeed really only the medium by which a woman elsewhere communicates with the trains and the other human characters, I'm sure that even if the speakers began to malfunction, the woman's voice would not, because if she's just talking into the speakers, she's not hooked into the system at all, and so while we're seeing the speakers malfunctioning, we should, given what the article tells us, anyway, hear the woman's voice perhaps cutting out and being interrupted by intermittant static through the speakers, yet otherwise her speaking remains perfectly clear, or something along those lines, but instead, we hear the voice becoming erratic as well, as if Vee's very voice is part of the system which is malfunctioning.

And I'm sure there's many other examples that I didn't think of as well...the bottom line is, what Vee is, in her entirety, is something electronic, not a human person who is somehow mysteriously never seen, and so the article should be changed.

69.204.38.3 (talk) 11:19, 29 October 2011 (UTC)

• "My monitors" could happen with Vee being human; many humans own or use or send signals to computer monitors.
  • I suppose that Vee could be an intercom system which, like the engines, came to life. (Does "Vee" mean "V" mean "Visual-something"?) Anthony Appleyard (talk) 13:31, 29 October 2011 (UTC)

I think it points to Vee being a machine/computer but not clearly enough for it to be anythinh other than Original Research 93.128.55.200 (talk) 13:55, 16 July 2012 (UTC)

'Based on'?

Are there any sources for the 'based on' part of the each character description? I ask because to my mind Dunbar looks far more like an Alco than an EMD. Talltim (talk) 13:52, 6 November 2011 (UTC)

I think it would be best to remove the "based on/resembling/modelled on" part to stop the spread of misinformation, which I have already done. TomCat9000 (talk) 06:22, 23 December 2021 (UTC)

Peckum

• Has anyone seen an official written form of Peckum's name? Could it be Peckham? Anthony Appleyard (talk) 17:18, 4 December 2011 (UTC)

rewrite

I'm thinking that this page could do with a bit of a rewrite. There's still quite a few sections that sound a bit PR-ish to me - Educational philosophy, is just awful and part of the lede itself. I've run a search on the terms, and they return a lot of hits, but there's no way of knowing if wiki took from them, or if they took from wiki. Opinions? a_man_alone (talk) 13:02, 14 December 2011 (UTC)

I've made a number of changes today following your drift. Much of it was harmless (but aimless) marketing-speak. Curiously, some of the text seemed to be by people who'd barely seen the series; I altered a few of these somewhat random and trivial observations.

Since the animation production credits are Chinese names, I did a quick search to verify this "British" production was actually largely created in China... this resume isn't a proper Wikipedia reference, but it does explain fairly clearly what's going on.Leptus Froggi (talk) 22:45, 17 December 2014 (UTC)

Blimey - I'd forgotten about this comment, made back in my previous life. I think much of the PR-speak has been gradually weeded out over the years, but still - nice work. Chaheel Riens (talk) 09:01, 18 December 2014 (UTC)

References

Piper's gender

Piper's gender is ambiguous, has not been established - so as per the correct usage of English language the masculine should be used until gender is clarified one way or another. Piper is shown as an extremely young and childish engine, so the usage of a female voice actor merely accentuates this - it does not by definition mean that Piper is a female engine. For another example of this - see Nermal - where is is specifically stated that the use of a female voice actor caused confusion over his gender.

All that needs to happen is for an episode to refer to Piper as "he" or "she" and we can accept judgement - either way - but until then, it should be referred to in the masculine. a_man_alone (talk) 19:00, 8 January 2012 (UTC)

Piper is definitely female. The character is referred to as "she" in "Piperactive". It should be known that Piper is a feminine name. 172.250.44.165 (talk) 20:40, 6 August 2020 (UTC)

Network ?

Is this a bug cause when ever I type in Chuggington it says it network is Toon Disney. These are problems with it: 1.The show is British and Toon Disney is an American network 2.Toon Disney is defunct 3.The show is on BBC 2 4.It would be on Disney Junior anyway — Preceding unsigned comment added by Mario is really awesome (talk • contribs) 20:15, 3 December 2012 (UTC)

Can you clarify a little? I don't see any reference to Toon Disney at all on the Chuggington page?

Neither Google nor Yahoo return Toon Disney as a search result - they're both pretty similar in results with the Wiki page, Cbeebies & the official site all at the top, and no mention of Toon. Chaheel Riens (talk) 22:04, 3 December 2012 (UTC)

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US Voice actors.

This article is based on the premise of Engvar, and as such being a British article first. Thus you can't list US voice actors in the article without also listing the UK voice actors first. In this case because we don't list the UK voice at all, we shouldn't list the US either. Additionally as per WP:BRD, please don't reinsert the actors without engaging in discussion here, thanks. Chaheel Riens (talk) 09:21, 5 August 2020 (UTC)

I would include the UK voice actors, but as of now I only know those in the US. Anyway, it probably doesn't matter. A lot internet articles mention voice actors from dubbed versions of a media, but not those from the original version. By the way, what is Engvar? 172.250.44.165 (talk) 02:39, 6 August 2020 (UTC)

WP:ENGVAR. I also note that you went against BRD, despite it being linked - please don't do that, it's not collaborative. Chaheel Riens (talk) 08:53, 18 August 2020 (UTC)

Well, you didn't respond for several days so I thought the discussion is settled. 172.250.44.165 (talk) 19:15, 18 August 2020 (UTC)

You made the change here on the 7th August, only two days after discussion had started. It should have been patently clear even at that stage that I was against inclusion. Chaheel Riens (talk) 19:37, 18 August 2020 (UTC)

Payce looks more like the scrapped intercity 250

Something little i've noticed, most people think she's based off other stuff, but the problem is, she doesn't really resemble the other candidates. 112.206.104.163 (talk) 08:09, 20 October 2023 (UTC)