Talk:Neolithic circular enclosures in Central Europe

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From the newspapaer article upon which this article is based, the recent archaeological discoveries are so new that the temple building culture does not even have a name yet.

Maybe you could wait until the discoveries are independently verified and given a name before you start writing "monumental" articles about them? --Brunnock 11:51, Jun 12, 2005 (UTC)

The discoveries are not quite that new. German magazine "Der Spiegel" has had several stories about them since 2003. I don't think the fact that the culture does not have a name yet should stop us from writing about it -- it's not like there is an official naming process for ancient civilizations or anything. --Chl 12:49, 12 Jun 2005 (UTC)

Did they actually build palisades 800 meters high? That seems a little too monumental...Adam Bishop 09:01, 17 Jun 2005 (UTC)

I'm pretty sure that should 800m long. Current thinking on Talk:Archaeology is to wait till we have some academic, published info before wikipedia weighs in properly. Little in the newspaper articles is new stuff save for the dating and smacks of journalists trying to pad out a short press release to me. adamsan 10:12, 17 Jun 2005 (UTC)

By all means, everybody go to town on this article, and remove anything that seems unlikely. 800m is sourced from the same Independent article as the rest of this stuff; it says the palisades rised "half a mile", i.e. approx. 800m. - Nat Krause 08:05, 18 Jun 2005 (UTC)

nothing to see here

this was all fabricated by the Independent. These "circular ditches" have been known for years. I will move the article to somewhere less spectacular. dab (ᛏ) 4 July 2005 18:36 (UTC)

apparently, the archaeologists in Dresden are really pissed off with the Independent for making this a headline. They say they have no way of knowing what the ditches were for, any talk of "temples" is pure fancy, and anyone's guess, and anyway there were no recent developments, the Dresden structure has been known for more than ten years. dab (ᛏ) 4 July 2005 18:48 (UTC)

I think these features may be roundel enclosures and have made a general article there. adamsan 8 July 2005 23:17 (UTC)

Proposed merge

The only source for these circular ditches is a pretty discredited newspaper article. If they are genuinely different from all other monument types then they should not be combined with causewayed enclosures and if they are indeed nothing new (as I this talk page seems to imply) then we should investigate a merge with roundel enclosures with which they seem to me to have a more likely kinship being from the same period and region. These features (single, double, treble ditched CEs, roundels, henges, interrupted ditch alignments etc) are part of a wider European Neolithic earthworks enclosure tradition which had varied implementations from place to place and period to period. adamsan 20:39, 4 April 2006 (UTC)

Do not merge: From the description given, these seem to be quite different from causewayed enclosures. Whereas the enclosures were raised earthenworks of unknown (if generally defensive) uses, the circular ditches were, well, ditches, and the article doesn't provide any known function. Additionally, if the circular ditches were from the Linear Ceramic culture, which flourished through ~4500 BC, and the causewayed enclosures were being made until ~3000 BC, it sounds like they were from different cultures. However, this article needs cleanup and expansion. —Ryan McDaniel 21:55, 13 June 2006 (UTC)

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Missing Liedberg!

The best conserved circular enclousure in Germany is the "Romans Watching Point" (German: Römerwarte) upon the Liedberg hill. It was never distroid and consists by a ring ditch (~10 m wide, ~2 m deap, 55 m diameter ie. 1/40 of the Gallic league) with one interruption in north east position, nearly pointing to sunrise at summer solstice / sunset at winter solstice. A small erthen wall outside the great ditch still remains. Liedberg hill was first named in 1166 as litheberch, according to Beda Venerabilis litha, meaning summer solstice. Berch or Berg means hill in German. In 1585 there is a ceremonical fire at winter solstice mentioned, named kerstbrand (chrismas bonfire). Coordinates: 51.163 N 6,563 E (ETRS89). — Preceding unsigned comment added by 2003:6:3332:AE41:C87:9BE5:401C:9321 (talk) 20:05, 25 March 2020 (UTC)