Talk:Collingswood Boys

Requested move 20 April 2015

The following is a closed discussion of a requested move. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made in a new section on the talk page. Editors desiring to contest the closing decision should consider a move review. No further edits should be made to this section.

The result of the move request was: Move. There's a rough consensus for a move, and this title has the best support. Cúchullain ^t/c 21:27, 27 May 2015 (UTC)

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Collingswood Boys (child abuse) → Collingswood Boys – Unneeded --Relisted. George Ho away from home (talk) 20:17, 29 April 2015 (UTC) – 189.245.212.174 (talk) 02:03, 20 April 2015 (UTC)

This is a contested technical request (permalink). Anthony Appleyard (talk) 05:12, 20 April 2015 (UTC)

@189.245.212.174 and GregKaye:

• I don't think that this should be in Category:Collingswood, New Jersey without qualification. GregKaye 04:04, 20 April 2015 (UTC)

  Does that comment have something to do with the article title? I don't really understand the comment. —BarrelProof (talk) 15:24, 20 April 2015 (UTC)

• Support per nominator. CookieMonster755 (talk) 00:43, 22 April 2015 (UTC)
• Oppose. This is not a generic article about all of the boys living in Collingswood, New Jersey. None of the linked sources actually call the boys "Collingswood Boys", so I'm skeptical that this term is in common usage. I'm not sure what to title this, and I'm not sure it should even exist as an independent article. Division of Youth and Family Services is the only Wikipedia article that links to this, and it actually pipes the link to the name of the boy who was found rummaging through their garbage cans for food at three o'clock in the morning: [[Collingswood Boys (Child abuse)|Bruce Jackson]]. There is a lot of media coverage of this. This report does use the term, but this story indicates that Hell House could also be a title for this. — Wbm1058 (talk) 00:23, 1 May 2015 (UTC)

Or Collingswood starvation case. Wbm1058 (talk) 00:36, 1 May 2015 (UTC)

But we don't have such an article, and I dare say I don't think we have any articles like that about any place. That's only rarely going to be an encyclopedic topic. Collingswood Boys has to either be the title or redirect to this page, whatever we end up calling it. --BDD (talk) 16:36, 1 May 2015 (UTC)

• Move to Collingswood malnutrition case or Collingswood starvation case per Wbm1058. The term "Collingswood Boys" does not seem to be a very well accepted term for this case among a vast majority of sources. In fact, it seems like a tabloid-headline neologism that should be avoided – and so does "Hell House". Considering the what the New York magazine article says, we should also be careful to avoid a WP:POVTITLE. The title Collingswood malnutrition case seems less POV than Collingswood starvation case. Collingswood Boys should be a redirect. —BarrelProof (talk) 17:07, 1 May 2015 (UTC)

  I don't see a date of publication on the New York magazine article, but the comments suggest it was published in 2011. An early-2010 article by CBS paints a very different picture. —BarrelProof (talk) 17:42, 1 May 2015 (UTC)

• Articles about child abuse cases aren't that rare on Wikipedia, though starvation abuse is much rarer than other types of abuse. Look to the parent Category:Child abuse and its subcategories for examples of how other cases are titled. Category:Child abuse incidents and cases is the general category for cases. Wbm1058 (talk) 20:29, 1 May 2015 (UTC)
• Oppose - This is perhaps gonna sound stupid but IMHO this could be mistaken for anything, I wouldn't object to Barrels ideas but just "Collingswood Boys" doesn't sound right.... –Davey2010^Talk 00:48, 2 May 2015 (UTC)
• Support. Proposed title is perfectly adequate, and a common term for the topic. Disambiguation is unnecessary at this stage. I note that there appears to be a Collingwood Boys High School [1] but no attempt at an article as yet. Cross that bridge if and when we come to it. Andrewa (talk) 14:03, 7 May 2015 (UTC)

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