Talk:Concord grape

Pics

There are several photos of green grapes; are those Concord grapes? I thought Concord grapes were always blue, like that one picture. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 70.179.105.8 (talk) 02:05, 1 April 2011 (UTC)

They are green when they are unripe. Is the photo caption not clear enough?: "Ripe grapes (foreground) and unripe grapes (background)." Unripe grapes can be made into verjuice." Should we say ripe purple grapes and unripe green grapes? Rmhermen (talk) 04:24, 1 April 2011 (UTC)

Harvest size ambiguity, fixed.

"In the United States, more than 400,000 tons of grapes are harvested in the northern regions and Pacific Northwest. Washington produces the most, followed by New York. This is about 8% of the total U.S. grape harvest" - is that supposed to say "400,000 tons of Concord grapes"? Otherwise, the "8% of the total" sentence doesn't make sense. Cos 15:55, 11 September 2006 (UTC)

Yes it is. Changed. (although the percentage may be close to 7%) Rmhermen 19:13, 11 September 2006 (UTC)

Preference for non-alcoholic uses.

Is it known why the Concord grape is (traditionally) preferred in juice and jelly/jam uses (and Kosher wine use, for that matter) over some of the other standard wine grapes? -- 19:25, 26 August 2007 (UTC)

Concord is a Vitis labrusca variety, not any kind of standard wine grape which a species Vitis vinifera. Rmhermen 03:34, 22 September 2007 (UTC)

Safe to swallow seeds? Healthy to swallow skins?

Does anyone have reliable answers to post to the article or talk page on these two questions which every Concord grape "user" undoubtedly asks hirself or hemself ? If so, please contrib. I need the skinny on the seedy question! (There's also the swallow whole vs. chewing issue.) Parsiferon 02:22, 22 September 2007 (UTC)

Why would anyone think that they are unsafe? Rmhermen 03:35, 22 September 2007 (UTC)

The skins are very safe, unless moldy. Depending on the fungus, it could be toxic. Ice wines or late season white whines depend on shriveled up and moldy grapes! As for the seeds, a number of fruit seeds have various cytotoxic compounds (evolved as a defense mechanism to prevent rot) that won't hurt you in low doses. But if you ate a lot of seeds, you might experience a cytotoxic effect on your intestinal tract that might be fairly unpleasant. It would take a lot of seeds (killograms maybe, but not sure) to be injurious. I would limit the amount of seeds consumed, unless it's a cultivated seed like almonds or such.OrangeMarlin ^{Talk• Contributions} 15:35, 22 September 2007 (UTC)

I have to agree with RMHerman. In fact, supplement makers charge top dollar for pills containing dried and ground grape skins and/or seeds, and Resveratrol, which is derived from grapes, is the all the rage for its antioxidant properties. 38.115.185.13 (talk) 22:30, 8 October 2008 (UTC) LNelsonChicago

Concord grape seeds are not only highly nutritious but contain very high levels of antioxidants such as proanthocyanidin and reservatrol.Relish them and eat as many as you can! As for the skins, why they're the tastiest and most nutrient-dense part! 67.142.172.31 (talk) 04:20, 14 July 2010 (UTC) —Preceding unsigned comment added by 67.142.172.27 (talk)

Why would anyone think that they are unsafe?: Because apple seeds are highly toxic in large amounts, deaths have occurred from eating apple seeds that were collected over time into batches. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 24.76.231.228 (talk) 16:50, 7 June 2015 (UTC)

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Antioxidant properties

It would be useful to have some information about the allegedly much higher antixodant/phenol content of Concord grapes, supposedly as high as red wine. Has any research been done to substantiate Welch's claims about this? Is it possible to get comparison figures, esp. with 'normal' red grapes? —Preceding unsigned comment added by 86.130.74.8 (talk) 16:38, 1 November 2008 (UTC)

Apparently [1]. 92.4.186.169 (talk) 22:47, 1 November 2008 (UTC)

retail availability

Concord grapes are now frequently available in farmers markets and standard supermarkets, at least in the NE US states.

This is also true in the upper Midwest. For several weeks each autumn, Chicago-area supermarkets regularly carry Speich Farms' concord grapes. 38.115.185.13 (talk) 18:47, 27 October 2010 (UTC)LNelson

Using the term "Northern regions" to describe the areas of commercial cultivation for the concord variety is not really accurate. Pennsylvania, Ohio, and Missouri would not be considered "Northern regions" of the US. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 76.160.218.42 (talk) 23:54, 9 July 2010 (UTC)

Penn. and Oh. are both on the Canadian border as are Mich. and N.Y., other major Concord regions. Rmhermen (talk) 19:03, 27 October 2010 (UTC)

"Foxy Musk?"

Exactly what does a "foxy" taste entail? Both this article, and the one on Vitis Labrusca mention this (purportedly undesirable) feature, but neither article goes into any further detail as to what that means. Frankly, it smells of an unsavoury attempt to discredit the vintning and eating qualities of Vitis Labrusca, In any case this contention is purely the subjective prejudice of one author and serves as a contemoporary example of European ethnobotanical chauvinism and nothing else. 67.142.172.31 (talk) 04:34, 14 July 2010 (UTC)

"Foxy" is a term used in the wine literature, it's not made up by an editor. A short explanation is found at Foxy (wine). Tomas e (talk) 17:33, 14 July 2010 (UTC)

So I see, apparently it's become De rigueur to use canid mammals to describe the flavours of wine, I was under the misapprehension that we were limited to fruit, spices, electronics and petroleum products!

In all seriousness, however seeing as it's a highly subjective descriptor that passes (negative) judgement, it does little to serve a factually based article about the concord grape, - which it so happens is widely used for fresh eating and juices -as well as to grace the tongues of supercilious wine review authors. If it is to remain this should be clarified as a current of opinion within the haute wine subculture, and other significant perspectives should be represented in adherence with WP:NPOV if not, it really has no legitimate place or purpose in this article, and i see no reason why it should not be removed. 67.142.172.31 (talk) 20:41, 16 July 2010 (UTC)

Not fox, the animal but the fox grape. Rmhermen (talk) 18:59, 27 October 2010 (UTC)

Color of the juice

Are Concord grapes considered a "teinturier" i.e. is the fresh juice white or purple? — Preceding unsigned comment added by 24.76.231.228 (talk) 16:47, 7 June 2015 (UTC)

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Concord (grape) → Concord grape – Parentheses should be avoided when possible. I can't move the page myself because a redirect already exists there. HotdogPi 00:52, 4 September 2016 (UTC)

• Support per WP:NATURAL. CookieMonster755 𝚨-𝛀 20:10, 4 September 2016 (UTC)
• Support natural disambiguation. I will note that "(grape)" is the more consistently used form of disambiguation in Category:Grape varieties; many moves will be needed to get read of parenthetically disambiguated grapes. Plantdrew (talk) 19:02, 7 September 2016 (UTC)
• Support per several WP:NAME qualifiers. --Zefr (talk) 19:47, 7 September 2016 (UTC)
• Oppose. (grape) is the commonly used way of disambiguation. Rmhermen (talk) 04:22, 8 September 2016 (UTC)
• Support as the natural and certainly very common name. kennethaw88 • talk 02:56, 11 September 2016 (UTC)

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Conflict

"Concord grapes are used for grape juice, and their distinctive purple color has led to grape-flavored soft drinks and candy being artificially colored purple while methyl anthranilate, a chemical present in Concord grapes, is used to give "grape" flavor."

"Non-toxic sprays that contain methyl anthranilate can be sprayed on the bushes as a cost-effective bird control management. The spray repellent renders the fruit and foliage unpalatable to the birds."

Perhaps one of these statements is in error. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 69.124.116.101 (talk) 05:41, 22 August 2019 (UTC)

A compound in concord grapes is used for flavoring in human food.

The same compound sprayed on the outside of the fruit is unpalatable to birds.

What makes you think these statements are not compatible? - SummerPhD^v2.0 03:31, 25 August 2019 (UTC)

I came here to comment on this paragraph also. On the one hand, the compound gives the grape, which birds love, its "grapiness", but on the other hand the compound is repulsive to birds? At very least this apparent conflict requires some explanation. Is it the concentration that makes the difference? JKeck (talk) 14:42, 30 August 2021 (UTC)