Talk:County (Liverpool ward)

Requested move

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The result of the move request was: no consensus for move. Correct disambiguation, and title matches contents after the latter has been brought back to an earlier version by PamD. Favonian (talk) 10:50, 8 October 2011 (UTC)

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County (ward) → City of Liverpool County (ward) – Relisted. Vegaswikian (talk) 01:49, 1 October 2011 (UTC) As it stands, the article bears no relation to its title. It is only of concern to citizens of Liverpool. Revised name could be different, but it needs to make clear its constraints.112.82.45.189 (talk) 02:39, 24 September 2011 (UTC)

If this is moved it should be a City of Liverpool County and not City of Liverpool County (ward) because unlike County there are no other articles called City of Liverpool County on Wikipedia. Please note that I don't know if the page should be moved or not but simply that (ward) would not be necessary if the new name is agreed on.--70.24.211.105 (talk) 21:43, 24 September 2011 (UTC)

Or "County (Liverpool ward)"? There's nothing in the article which suggests that the ward is called "City of Liverpool County". (Then again, there is so little in the article that it is almost speediable under CSD A1. Ucucha (talk) 11:54, 25 September 2011 (UTC)

• Oppose move, most especially oppose move to the proposed confusing title. The existing title is a valid title, until and unless there is another article on a ward called "County" for some other jurisdiction. If that becomes the case, then this article needs to be moved to County (Liverpool ward) - as is the case for Central. See Category:Wards of Liverpool for a list. But what this article needs, more than a change of name, is a lead section which says "County is a ward of Liverpool city council, covering the areas of x, y and z." or something like that, so that the article makes sense to someone finding it by hitting the "Random article" button. Also needs to be added to County (disambiguation). PamD 09:23, 26 September 2011 (UTC) Updated PamD 17:20, 30 September 2011 (UTC)

Going into the page history I found a perfectly reasonable lead section which was cut out with no explanation on 11 Dec 2010, so I have replaced it. PamD 09:29, 26 September 2011 (UTC)

It's a bit like East (European Parliament constituency) - that title doesn't give a clue that it's in Ireland, but it's the only Euroconstituency called "East" just as this seems to be only ward (with a Wikipedia article today) called "County". No need for a page move. PamD 17:24, 30 September 2011 (UTC)

• Have you considered "County (City of Liverpool ward)"? The clarification should generally all go within the parentheses. ῤerspeκὖlὖm in ænigmate_(talk)(spy) 15:33, 30 September 2011 (UTC)
• Support County (City of Liverpool ward) or County (Liverpool ward). However I am not sure that we really need articles on particular wards. A major function of consituency articles is to provide a list of MPs, but councillors are rarely notable, so that the list will normally be of people without articles. Possible AFD nom. Peterkingiron (talk) 22:08, 2 October 2011 (UTC)
• Support County (City of Liverpool ward), or pretty well any alternative that informs the reader better than the present title; at the discretion of the closing admin. Noetica^Tea? 01:34, 3 October 2011 (UTC)
• Comment: the purpose of disambiguators is to distinguish the article title from other similar titles, not to describe the content of the article. This is the only article on a ward called "County", so the article title is correct as it stands. The article itself is now improved after I replaced the lead sentence which had been removed a while back. If the article is moved, it should be to County (Liverpool ward), in line with other entries in Category:Wards of Liverpool. PamD 07:52, 3 October 2011 (UTC)

Pam, the purpose of disambiguators qua disambiguators is to disambiguate. Sure. But the addition of more information that is proposed by this RM, whichever fuller title gets to be preferred, is not a matter of disambiguation. That matter has been raised by you and no one else. See the reason given in the text at the top: "As it stands, the article bears no relation to its title. It is only of concern to citizens of Liverpool." If the article were in a gazetteer of Liverpool, or some such local publication, it would be a different matter. This encyclopedia is for the whole world. It can do no harm to anyone, least of all to the good citizens of Liverpool, if the title directs attention to their city – and prevents the rest of the wide world from remaining completely baffled. ☺ Noetica^Tea? 08:23, 3 October 2011 (UTC)

• Oppose move - PamD is right, the article title is fine. Disambiguation in article titles only needs to distinguish the article from other article titles that would otherwise be identical, and as this seems to be the only ward in England with the name "County", adding further information is just unnecessary. If the rest of the world is indeed "baffled", they only have to read the article - that's what the article is there for. 81.142.107.230 (talk) 11:37, 4 October 2011 (UTC)

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