Talk:Craig Chaquico

Replacing deleted "notable" guitars in info box.

Hello Wikepedians I restored Chaquico's "notable" guitars that were removed for reasons of not being "custom." I did this after reviewing other guitarist's pages and noticing that they also, listed non-custom guitars, as in "stock" guitars. Guitarists have favorite guitars that they use often in performances and are not always "custom" but are "notable" because of a particular sound or nuance the artist desires in performance or recording. Eric Clapton, and Billy Gibbons among others. list non-custom, favorite guitars of note in their info boxes.Cheryl Fullerton (talk) 22:39, 5 August 2017 (UTC)Cheryl Fullerton

The answer is to delete the other non-notable guitars that you see in other biographies. The instructions at Template:Infobox_musical_artist#notable_instruments tell us to list only notable models or custom instruments that are "strongly associated" with the artist. The stolen Sunburst[1] is certainly associated with Chaquico, and so are the custom models. Binksternet (talk) 00:04, 6 August 2017 (UTC)

Hello again, I've researched this subject in depth and providing more you with more information on the guitars that I feel should be listed in the "notable instruments" area in the info box and the reasons they should be included.

1957 Les Paul Goldtop -On the first two multiplatinum Jefferson Starship albums, Dragonfly and Red Octopus (1975) with Red Octopus being “Certified double platinum by RIAA in 1995, it is the best-selling album by any incarnation of Jefferson Airplane and its spin-off groups,” [2], Spitfire and Earth, and the hundreds of live concerts during the period between 1974 – 1978, Chaquico played both his 1957 Goldtop and his 1959 Sunburst. In particular, the ’57 Goldtop appeared on hit songs like, “Miracles,” (No. 3 for three weeks on Billboard Hot 100 chart), “Ride the Tiger,” “Fast Buck Freddie,” and “Play on Love.” He also performed Live with this guitar in countless concerts which show up in photos and videos and live concert audio from that period. It was stolen at the Lorelei riot, along with his ’59 Sunburst [PHOTOS CAN BE SUPPLIED; ONE IS CURRENTLY ON CHAQUICO’S WIKIPEDIA PAGE].

BC Rich Mockingbird – In 1978, Chaquico’s rare instruments, including the ’59 Sunburst and ’57 Goldtop were destroyed and/or stolen during the Lorelei, Germany riot, when Grace Slick wouldn’t perform and the audience rebelled [3] It was then that Chaquico decided to no longer take such valuable instruments on the road and began working with BC Rich to create a guitar that was solid, like a Les Paul, and had a rich tone, and this was the Mockingbird model. He made this guitar as he played it Live during all of the tours and videos during the early MTV era which featured songs such as, “Winds of Change,” “Stranger,” and “Black Widow.” Chaquico plays it throughout the Jefferson Starship Definitive Concert video, many Live and TV performance videos of the band performing their hit, “Jane,” as well as on the hit TV show, “Fridays,” which is available on YouTube. Chaquico was also photographed with his purple Mockingbird on the January 1982 cover of Guitar Player Magazine [PHOTOS AND VIDEOS CAN BE SUPPLIED]. He was also recently interviewed by Matt Touchard for the new book, B.C. Rich Legacy, as Chaquico made a huge impact on the sales of BC Rich Mockingbirds in the 1980s.

Carvin Doubleneck – Chaquico was also very well-known for playing the Carvin Doubleneck during this same period, playing it at hundreds of Live Jefferson Starship concerts during the early ‘80s and on Live TV shows such as “Fridays.” His fans closely associate the Carvin double-neck with Chaquico because he was featured playing them not only in concert and on TV and in videos, but also in advertisements throughout the ‘80s place by Carvin Guitars in magazines.

Carvin V220 – Chaquico grew a very strong relationship with the owners of the new guitar company, Carvin Guitars, in the mid-80s. They came up with the V220 which Chaquico played on MTV videos such as “Layin’ It on the Line,” and TV specials such as 1984’s “Super Night of Rock ‘n Roll,” MTVs very first Spring Break special in 1986 [4] , and he was featured, along with his V220 in many Carvin ads for their guitars and amps. These advertisements were placed in all of the popular guitar magazines such as Guitar Player and Guitar World. Owner, Mark Kiesel said, “These ads with Craig really helped our V220T guitar and X100B amp stacks become our best-selling products throughout the ‘80s.” [Guitar Player: The Inside Story of the First Two Decades of the Most Successful Guitar Magazine Ever. Backbeat Books edited by Jim and Dara Crockett, 2015, p. 247]

I think you will agree, after reviewing the information I have provided, that these guitars should be included in "notable" instruments on Chaquico's page in the info box. I look forward to your response.Cheryl Fullerton (talk) 16:16, 12 August 2017 (UTC)Cheryl Fullerton

I restored the deleted notable guitars in the info box for the reasons given above.Cheryl Fullerton (talk) 17:38, 16 August 2017 (UTC)Cheryl Fullerton

The Notable Instruments were removed without discussion. I think I've given the evidence above that substantiates the inclusion of Chaquico's guitars as "notable". — Preceding unsigned comment added by Cheryl Fullerton (talk • contribs) 19:15, 3 November 2017 (UTC)

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I've gone through and removed most of the fan-pov stuff, but the article relies heavily on dubious sources, including blogs, interviews and other self-sources, and affiliated sources. I have slowly started through from the top, will continue. —valereee (talk) 12:58, 27 April 2021 (UTC)

Hey, Cheryl Fullerton, you're by far the major contributor to this page, and I am really concerned about the sourcing. Much of it is dubious at best, and the assertions those dubious sources are supposed to be supporting in many cases aren't even mentioned in the sources. Although you've been editing for four years, with only about 650 edits, you're still a fairly inexperienced editor, and I'm thinking maybe you aren't familiar enough with what represents a reliable source for purposes of Wikipedia. Please read the information at WP:reliable sources. —valereee (talk) 15:07, 27 April 2021 (UTC)

Hi, Valereee

I appreciate the feedback, but why is this on the Craig Chaquico article page? The issue is on the Jefferson Starship page between myself and editor AbleGus. I'm confused. You are correct there is more input from me on the Chaquico article, but if you look at the Jefferson Starship page, I think you will see that input from me is either equal to input from AbleGus, or maybe even less. Please advise. Regards, Cheryl Fullerton (talk) 16:38, 27 April 2021 (UTC)

@Cheryl Fullerton, it's here because I just made multiple edits to this article. The issues I am discussing in this section are in this article, so this talk page is where we should be discussing them. There may be similar issues at the other article, which would be discussed at that article's talk page, but I haven't read that article.

Please try to indent correctly on talk pages; information is at Help:Talk_pages#Indentation. We use indentation to make it easier to follow conversations. I've fixed your indent so you can see what I mean. —valereee (talk) 17:07, 27 April 2021 (UTC)

Hello, ValereeeThanks for the clarification. I was confused because your first comment to me was on the Jefferson Starship talk page, so that's what I was focused on. Sorry for my mistake. Thanks for the information on indentation! I will definitely reread the information and apply it in the future. Regards, Cheryl Fullerton (talk) 21:17, 27 April 2021 (UTC)

"original founding member"

Cheryl Fullerton, I'm going to need to see something in a reliable source that calls him something like that or it's unduly focussed on something that isn't really important, and especially not for the lead. Why are we even saying this? Let's discuss. Per policy at WP:ONUS, the editor who wants to include content needs to prove why we need this content. Frankly if it were me, I'd not want this said about me because it seems kind of pathetic and defensive. I feel like it almost sounds like it should be followed up with "...and was not just some replacement guy!" —valereee (talk) 15:07, 13 May 2021 (UTC)

ETA: I also find it very troubling that this is the exact wording he himself uses in his website bio. —valereee (talk) 16:54, 13 May 2021 (UTC)

Valereee (talk · contribs)

Hi Valerie, I see your point. It does sound a little defensive. I'm not seeing "orginal founding member", but definitely founding member is sourced. How about saying something like, "Chaquico was a founding member, lead guitarist and songwriter for Jefferson Starship and Starship."

Here are some sources: 1.Craig Chaquico, a founding member of Jefferson Starship and the only musician to perform on all 10 of their albums, on Aug. 11 secured from U.S. Magistrate Judge Maria-Elena James in San Francisco a decision greenlighting a cause of action of what his lawyers said was the core claim over use of the legendary band name. https://www.law.com/therecorder/almID/1202795545627/Jefferson-Starship-Founders-Breach-Suit-Cleared-for-Takeoff/?mcode=1202617072607&curindex=3&slreturn=20210413134047

2.A founding member of Jefferson Starship filed a lawsuit Thursday to stop some of his former bandmates from using the band's name for upcoming performances and merchandise. Guitarist Craig Chaquico is asking a judge to prevent a new iteration of Jefferson Starship from using the name in the federal lawsuit filed in San Francisco. He claims the group has been using the Jefferson Starship name without permission, and has used his image to promote shows through early 2018. https://www.billboard.com/articles/columns/rock/7776286/jefferson-starship-co-founder-sues-bandmates-name 3. “Thompson had been pushing Paul and Grace for some time to start a new band…the seventh member of the new team, Craig Chaquico…” Jeff Tamarkin, Got A Revolution: The Turbulent Flight of Jefferson Airplane p. 266

If that is agreeable, I'll edit or if you have a better suggestion, please let me know. Thanks!Cheryl Fullerton (talk) 18:41, 13 May 2021 (UTC)

I don't think we need any of it. Grace Slick's lead doesn't mention she's a founding member. That's because it's silly. So, no. Please write shorter, I will not read walls of text. —valereee (talk) 18:56, 13 May 2021 (UTC)

JA/JS

Quote from Chaquico in 2016, before filing his lawsuit: Plus, Steelwind got its own recording deal on a Jefferson Airplane label, and the band was opening for Jefferson Starship – which was basically Jefferson Airplane minus the guitar player and bass player – Jorma Kaukonen and Jack Casady, who had left to form Hot Tuna.—valereee (talk) 20:27, 14 May 2021 (UTC)

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