Talk:Crown

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part of the head is called the crown ... do we need something on that too?

Done on the page Crown (anatomy). No need to do it here also.

Can someone include this new finding in the "history section": http://www.newyorker.com/online/blogs/culture/2014/03/the-worlds-oldest-crown.html

Worn by monarchs and gods only?

I can wear a crown if I wanted to, but that doesn't mean I'm either of those. --Dara July 8, 2005 01:26 (UTC)

Unless you are a multi-millionare, you couldn't afford one!

FearÉIREANNFile:Irish flag.gifFile:Animated-union-jack-01.gif SOLIDARITY WITH THE PEOPLE OF LONDON\^(caint) 8 July 2005 01:30 (UTC)

Ok. I was trying to get across that crowns are sometimes worn by actors to potray kings and such. I didn't catch it before in the article and I thought it should be added that (but I see there's no need now). :) Sorry about that. --Dara July 9, 2005 02:56 (UTC)

revelations

what was the crown worn by the horseman? anyone know the original word. I know the original language used 2 diff words each genericly translated as a crown in the english versions, much like the words for grapejuice and wine all lose thier distinctions and are just called wine in english tranlations. One type of crown was for rulers and the other for victors but i don,t know thier names and wich one he wore. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 71.232.147.54 (talk) 17:53, 4 April 2011 (UTC)

Constantine's adoption of the diadem as precursor to the crown?

This wood-painting of Septimius Severus' family shows both Septimius Severus and his son Caracalla with a headgear that very much resembles other precursors to the modern crown. Any comments on this?

File:Severan dynasty - tondo.png

Abvgd (talk) 07:02, 28 August 2011 (UTC)

An even more evident example is the headgear displayed in the statue dedicated to the four tetrarchs, slightly before Constantine's rise to power:

File:Venice – The Tetrarchs 05.jpg

Abvgd (talk) 13:58, 3 September 2011 (UTC)

Requested move 7 May 2019

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The result of the move request was: No consensus for anything. Very little support for the proposal. Some support for making this primary topic, but about equal opposition. (non-admin closure) В²C ☎ 21:23, 14 May 2019 (UTC)

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Crown (headgear) → Crown (regalia) – It looks like a redirect was created in 2005 from Crown (regalia) to Crown (headgear) with no discussion about which title might be the better one. Since a "crown" is also part of a hat (see Trilby) as well as part of the human head, and while all of them have to do with heads, having the namespace for the item of royal regalia at Crown (headgear) seems less intuitive to me than Crown (regalia), especially in light of the fact that there are so many other words with "gear" which have nothing to do with regalia (sports gear, rain gear, hunting gear, as well as other anatomical references like leg gear and arm gear). A loose necktie (talk) 19:10, 7 May 2019 (UTC)

• Oppose. We should be using common names, and "regalia" is not a common word. Red Slash 19:57, 7 May 2019 (UTC)

According to whom? A person looking for the article on the item of regalia is almost certainly going to recognize "Crown (regalia)" before they are going to recognize "Crown (headgear)"! A loose necktie (talk) 22:56, 13 May 2019 (UTC)

• Oppose - I see the potential ambiguity with the crown of a hat, but we don't have an article for that, & anyone arriving here will immediately see what the topic is. Johnbod (talk) 02:48, 8 May 2019 (UTC)
• Move to primary at Crown - When the choices are between two disambiguators that just don't "sound" right, I wonder if that indicates that having a disambiguator at all is the problem. So many topics seem to derive from the initial concept of the headdress, and it is often the first-listed definition of the term. -- Netoholic @ 17:42, 8 May 2019 (UTC)

I would support Netoholic's proposal. It is the kind of word that, if I had to link it, it would probably not occur to me that it needs a disambiguator. Srnec (talk) 03:03, 9 May 2019 (UTC)

• Support Crown WP:PRIMARYTOPIC for this article. PPEMES (talk) 15:15, 9 May 2019 (UTC)

I'm also ok with this. Johnbod (talk) 15:30, 9 May 2019 (UTC)

• Oppose making it primary topic. The Crown, Crown (dentistry) and Crown (British coin) are all prominent topics with long-term significance, and that's not even scratching the surface of that dab page. No comment on the actual move proposal. —Xezbeth (talk) 07:17, 10 May 2019 (UTC)

Also, this move request has nothing to do with the dab page, so I hope nobody moves it as a result of this discussion. I'll be taking it straight to move review if they do. —Xezbeth (talk) 07:29, 10 May 2019 (UTC)

Wikipedia:Requested moves/Closing instructions#Moves of other pages does say that such moves shouldn't be done, that said not many people watch DAB pages, however we could just manually put a note which should suffice (which I will go and do). Crouch, Swale (talk) 19:12, 10 May 2019 (UTC)

• Comment with regard to the ambiguity of the current title, couldn't the proposed title be confused with Crown (heraldry) and even The Crown? Crouch, Swale (talk) 19:15, 10 May 2019 (UTC)

I imagine you and Xezbeth mean The Crown (TV series). That certainly gets much the highest views. Johnbod (talk) 19:54, 10 May 2019 (UTC)

• Strongly Oppose making this the primary topic. Mostly indifferent to the actual proposed moved. older ≠ wiser 20:12, 10 May 2019 (UTC)

On what basis? Can you explain why? A loose necktie (talk) 22:56, 13 May 2019 (UTC)

Because the term "crown" is ambiguous and there is insufficient evidence that there is a primary topic. older ≠ wiser 00:57, 14 May 2019 (UTC)

• Move to Crown as primary topic. Rreagan007 (talk) 17:13, 12 May 2019 (UTC)

• I support this as an alternative to my original proposal. A loose necktie (talk) 22:56, 13 May 2019 (UTC)

• I've had a look at the other entries at the dab page and I also agree that making the headgear the primary topic would seem most natural. I'd be interested to see some proper analysis (e.g with ngrams or pageview stats) on this. — Martin (MSGJ · talk) 19:40, 14 May 2019 (UTC)
• Strong oppose primary topic because of the long-term significance of Crown (dentistry), Crown (British coin), Crown (anatomy), Crown (tooth), etc. Note also that this is not even close to the primary topic by pageviews. Crown (dentistry) has more views all on its own and this page receives less than a quarter of relevant page views for the top eight exact matches. Dekimasuよ! 20:07, 14 May 2019 (UTC)

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Requested move 30 March 2020

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The result of the move request was: moved. Root meaning and "longest-term significant" aren't criteria, as Red Slash noted, but the point of "more (long-term) significance" (WP:PRIMARYTOPIC's "substantially greater enduring notability and educational value") seems to underpin the supports. I see this analogous to the "Apple" arrangement. -- JHunterJ (talk) 11:33, 7 April 2020 (UTC)

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• Crown (headgear) → Crown
• Crown → Crown (disambiguation)

– Regardless of any pageviews, this topic is the root meaning from which all others on the DAB derive. This makes it the longest-term significant topic of all. The current disambiguator "(headgear)" looks awkward, and so do other alternatives - often a sign that an article is WP:PRIMARYTOPIC. See the prior RM just above which showed strong support for this proposal. -- Netoholic @ 11:38, 30 March 2020 (UTC)

Pings to prior RM participants - В²C, A loose necktie, Red Slash, Johnbod, Srnec, PPEMES, Xezbeth, Crouch, Bkonrad, MSGJ, Dekimasu. -- Netoholic @ 11:42, 30 March 2020 (UTC)

• Oppose, there was actually little support and considerable opposition to making the regalia/headgear primary topic. No evidence provided showing anything has changed. older ≠ wiser 11:43, 30 March 2020 (UTC)
• Comment this issue only emerged in the last discussion, & wasn't the proposal - I opposed that & supported(ish) making it primary. But I think we need a massviews thingy. Johnbod (talk) 12:01, 30 March 2020 (UTC)
• Support per nom. "headgear" lol (I only write lol when I'm actually lol). Historical significance covers this primary, and on the disamb page this entry now shows up in 20th place and even then the 'headgear' descriptor may confuse searchers. Randy Kryn (talk) 12:51, 30 March 2020 (UTC)
• Oppose. Still less than a quarter of relevant page views, and these are all topics with great long-term significance (Crown (anatomy), Crown (dentistry), Crown (botany), etc.). Maybe "headdress" is better than "headgear" if that's the problem? Dekimasuよ! 13:37, 30 March 2020 (UTC)
• Weak oppose per Dekimasu, while this is the most common use, its not overwhelmingly more common. Crouch, Swale (talk) 14:44, 30 March 2020 (UTC)
• Support The whole "headgear" thing, like a crown is some kind of ortho-kinetic device or variety of wrestling protection. It looks weird, and there has to be better way of handling this. Maybe this way is the way. A loose necktie (talk) 14:49, 30 March 2020 (UTC)
• Comment what about "Crown (headwear)"? Is that less idiosyncratic than "headgear"? Axem Titanium (talk) 15:59, 30 March 2020 (UTC)
• Support, but if not moved, I would also support moving to a better disambiguation, such as Crown (regalia). BD2412 T 16:04, 30 March 2020 (UTC)
• Oppose. There is no primary topic. Still. Consider this an oppose for the next RM as well. —Xezbeth (talk) 16:38, 30 March 2020 (UTC)
• Support per nom.--Ortizesp (talk) 18:45, 30 March 2020 (UTC)

• Support per nom and BD2412. PPEMES (talk) 18:52, 30 March 2020 (UTC)
• Support. It's the base meaning and putting it at the base name makes sense. Everything else that is a crown is so in reference to this. Pageviews stats suggest that most readers get to their article from somewhere other than the dab page, so it isn't a terrible inconvenience to add an intervening hatnote. Srnec (talk) 22:24, 30 March 2020 (UTC)
• Oppose per Dekimasu's pageview stats. Note that while some of the other meanings are technically derived from this, they are very distant meanings indeed: the two dentistry meanings, the various currencies, random place names, and so on. It's not a simple case of "everything else is really subtopics of this" - that only really applies to Crown (heraldry) and The Crown. SnowFire (talk) 01:09, 31 March 2020 (UTC)
• Oppose per Dekimasu as well. Consider Crown (headdress) as an alternative. Dohn joe (talk) 16:28, 31 March 2020 (UTC)
• Support. Clear primary topic. -- Necrothesp (talk) 13:56, 1 April 2020 (UTC)
• Support - What other possible meaning competes with the long-term educational significance of a crown? A weird synonym for skull? A dental device that literally no one would expect to find when they type in an unqualified "crown" into our search bar? Seriously? Those can all painlessly be noted in the hatnote. Red Slash 23:04, 4 April 2020 (UTC)
• I should also add that I do not support per nom. "The longest-term significance" is absolutely not a naming criterion. We are looking for the greatest significance, specifically long-term significance. It's like if I have two cherry red cars, and you have five burgundy cars. Yes, my cars are more reddish than yours, but you obviously have more red cars than I do. Same thing here. I am arguing not that "crown" (headgear) has longer-term significance, but that it has more (long-term) significance. Red Slash 23:07, 4 April 2020 (UTC)

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statue of liberty crown

how many spikes? 108.160.124.193 (talk) 02:40, 9 June 2021 (UTC)

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Sweeping inaccuracy

The word itself is used, particularly in Commonwealth countries, as an abstract name for the monarchy itself...

As a native of a Commonwealth country, this doesn't ring true at all. In an Australian context, the Crown normally refers to the legal authority of Commonwealth or State government. Enthusiastic monarchists may very well have the monarchy itself front of mind, but while they remain an extant species, they do not predominate. Aboctok (talk) 15:46, 26 July 2023 (UTC)