Talk:Crystal Castles (2008 album)

album release cover banned?

i do not know what the official story is, but i believe the cover was changed due to Trevor Brown claiming the band had taken his image without his permission, although this information keeps getting changed (i'm guessing by the label or manager of CC itself) can someone verify this? i have added it from the article i read on Trevor's website [1] judge for yourself. Keiron22 (talk) 22:37, 5 April 2008 (UTC)

GA Review

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Nominator: Skyshifter (talk · contribs)

Reviewer: AstonishingTunesAdmirer (talk · contribs) 14:17, 28 March 2024 (UTC)

Hey, I'm AstonishingTunesAdmirer and today I will review this good article nomination.

Normally, per WP:GAN/I#N1, you would want to secure the consent of the main contributor to the article. However, seeing how they are indefinitely blocked, I guess we can ignore that.

GA review (see here for what the criteria are, and here for what they are not)

1. It is reasonably well written.

   a (prose, spelling, and grammar): b (MoS for lead, layout, word choice, fiction, and lists):

2. It is factually accurate and verifiable.

   a (reference section): b (inline citations to reliable sources): c (OR): d (copyvio and plagiarism):

3. It is broad in its coverage.

   a (major aspects): b (focused):

4. It follows the neutral point of view policy.

   Fair representation without bias:

5. It is stable.

   No edit wars, etc.:

6. It is illustrated by images and other media, where possible and appropriate.

   a (images are tagged and non-free content have non-free use rationales): b (appropriate use with suitable captions):

7. Overall:

   Pass/Fail:

Decent article overall. However, there are some issues I'd like addressed before promoting.

Prose

Lead

• This inspired the two to start a project that made noise music – feels clunky, maybe just to start a noise music project?
• Replace cuts with songs, as it's jargon an average reader will not understand
• As it's used throughout the article, wikilink the first instance of "LP" to LP record
• Wikilink "samples" to Sampling (music)
• sold well enough in the United States to make its way onto Billboard such as – Billboard is the name of the magazine, it made its way into Billboard charts; I would also separate that from the previous sentence about the release, and would replace the beginning of that phrase with performed well commercially in the United States, allowing it to make its way
• towards the album, one writer for Delusions of Adequacy – towards the album, with the writer for maybe?
• In 2013, Crystal Castles was number 477 on NME's list of "The 500 Greatest Albums of All Time." – as of 2024, it still is. It should be was placed at number 477

Background and release

• They were both into noise music – "being into something" is an idiom, should be avoided per MOS:WTW; they were both interested in noise music
• to produce a new style of noise that didn't involve using guitars but rather dance music elements and electronic keyboards sounds a bit weird to me. I feel like electronic keyboards should go first. Or better reword it a bit to something like to produce a new style of noise, replacing guitars with electronic keyboards and dance music elements
• Crystal Castles became popular to an international level – on an international level?
• Wikilink "online leaking" to Music leak
• The Montreal-based Last Gang Records issued Crystal Castles' self-titled first studio album in North America and the United Kingdom in March 2008. – I suggest simplifying "Crystal Castles' self-titled first studio album" to "Crystal Castles"; clarify that it was released on March 18, 2008, as that information from lead/infobox is not supported elsewhere (you can use PopMatters review as it contains the release date)

Production and composition

• In order for the music to have elements of being "annoying," Kath explained that he created many of the sounds on tracks that would appear on Crystal Castles by sampling textures produced from a circuit-bent Atari 5200 console. Fawn used these sounds because they were "annoying." – I believe the second sentence is redundant, the first already explains that he chose these sounds because they were "annoying". Also I feel the first sentence would sound better as Kath explained that in order for music to have "annoying" elements he created many of the sounds used on Crystal Castles by sampling textures produced from a circuit-bent Atari 5200 console
• the content on Crystal Castles goes through multiple genres – I don’t believe the content goes anywhere, as genres are labels people apply to music. Spans multiple genres, maybe?
• mix of mid-tempo melodic electronic dance cuts – replace "cuts" with "songs" per above
• while one writer for Entertainment Weekly – the article names the writer, Youyoung Lee, should probably use it instead
• However, there were also reviewers that highlighted – reviewers who highlighted?
• all elements of the music's structure constantly changes – elements [...] change

Content

• categorized it as a "hit and run electropop" cut – replace "cut" with "song" per above

Critical reception

• an average rating of 73/100 – 73 out of 100
• Generally, unless it’s notable, numerical scores aren't listed in prose, as they're already presented in the template, so King wrote a five-star review of the album for Consequence of Sound and praised its "high energy" → King, in his review for Consequence of Sound, praised the album's "high energy", in his eight-out-of-ten review for NME → in his review for NME
• NME review is listed as a positive one in the first paragraph and as a mixed one in the third one. They should be combined and only be in one of these places.
• worst type of track on the LP – type of tracks?
• less pop-music-orientated cuts – replace "cuts" with "songs" per above
• "Xbox" songs, such as "Untrust Us" and "Magic Spells," are cuts with complex concepts – same as above, but can rephrase it to "Xbox" songs, such as "Untrust Us" and "Magic Spells," feature complex concepts

Commercial performance

• As of September 2014 it was certified – missing a comma after "2014"

Personnel

• In ref 43, the |others= parameter of {{cite AV media notes}} should be |author=

Quotes

While generally it's fine to have a certain amount of (usually short) quotes in album articles, I think a few of these are way too long, as highlighted by the copyvio detector. Therefore, at the very least, I propose cutting the following:

• Cohen noted that this unpredictable aspect was especially true in the LP's last two tracks: "the mad dash of "Black Panther" is probably what nu-rave was supposed to sound like (the Goth! Team?), and then the record ends on a disquietingly beautiful shoegaze comedown played on an acoustic guitar of all things ("Tell Me What to Swallow")." → Cohen noted that this unpredictable aspect was especially true in the LP's last two tracks, "Black Panther" and "Tell Me What to Swallow", the latter of which he called a "disquietingly beautiful shoegaze comedown".
• in that the band "strike out to the edges of their own sensibility and return with the most unwieldy, uncomfortable sounds they find there before trying to work that noise inwards ‘til it passes for pop." → in that the band explores unconventional sounds and turns them into pop?
• He overall summarized that "where the rest of the album trades in cheap-sounding and eccentric but still rather charming variations on punky dance-pop, Crystal Castles’ most rockist moments seem to wish to appear arty by being as annoying as possible." → He summarized that while the rest of the album offers "cheap-sounding and eccentric but still rather charming variations on punky dance-pop", its more rock-oriented moments are presented in a way that makes them "arty by being as annoying as possible"?

Spotchecks

• 5: does not say that they met in the summer of 2004; it says they met about 4 years ago (the article is from 2008) and that Kath gave a CD in the summer of 2004. The source doesn't specify how much time passed between these two events, making this claim WP:SYNTH  
• 6: confirms that they wanted to switch guitars for keyboards/dance music elements; confirms they were found due to the recording uploaded to MySpace; confirms "international attention"; confirms the March 2008 release Y
• 12: supports this description Y
• 18: does list the bands but in an abbreviated form Y
• 25: confirm the score and the number of reviews Y
• 32: does not have the certification N here is a better source [2]
• 33: is number 76 on the list Y
• 39: is indeed number 477 on the list Y
• 46: confirm chart position Y
• 52: is number 6 on the chart Y

@AstonishingTunesAdmirer: everything has been applied! Skyshiftertalk 20:38, 28 March 2024 (UTC)

Thank you! I went through the article once more, fixed a few minor things, but couldn't find any other issues (GA-wise that is, the way the author formatted citations makes me roll my eyes haha). The article meets good article criteria, so I'm happy to promote it. AstonishingTunesAdmirer 連絡 01:57, 29 March 2024 (UTC)

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