Talk:Czechoslovakian Wolfdog

Requested move

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The result of the move request was: Moved per the majority in favor and the general use of capitalization in Category:Dog breeds. The content of the article makes clear that this is a dog breed and not a new species of animal. If it were a separate species we might be tempted to use sentence case. EdJohnston (talk) 04:19, 23 February 2014 (UTC)

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Czechoslovakian wolfdog → Czechoslovakian Wolfdog – To coincide with about 10 text mentions with a capital W and not one with a small w. Relisted. BrownHairedGirl (talk) • (contribs) 16:27, 5 February 2014 (UTC) SergeWoodzing (talk) 07:47, 29 January 2014 (UTC)

• Oppose – It matters not what is in the Wikipedia article, but what the sources say. The sources could be improved, but I took a look at the current ones. Both capitalised and non-capitalised versions are present. So there seems to be no particular "accurate" way at the moment, plus the rationale is not valid. C679 10:30, 30 January 2014 (UTC)

• It should be added that there is significant presence of "Czechoslovak" rather than "Czechoslovakian" as the name, which should also be established. C679 10:34, 30 January 2014 (UTC)

Can we agree that it looks illogical, confusing and inappropriate that the dog's name in the whole article text has another format than that in the article's name? --SergeWoodzing (talk) 11:38, 30 January 2014 (UTC)

• That's a content issue, not necessarily an issue for which to move the title. You could just be bold and de-capitalise the instances. C679 12:53, 30 January 2014 (UTC)

Anyone else care to weigh in here? I am a firm believer in consistency and would like someone to explain why we e.g. have an article called German Shepherd (not German shepherd). Is it because "Shepherd" cannot be considered the name of a group of species, whereas "wolfdog" is such a group name? --SergeWoodzing (talk) 15:11, 30 January 2014 (UTC)

• Wolfdog is a hybrid animal, Shepherd is not an animal. See Canada lynx, Japanese badger, European otter for other examples. C679 10:08, 1 February 2014 (UTC)

This seems to come up intermittently in various dog breed articles - the norm appears to be to use initial caps; I think the most recent discussion was here. SagaciousPhil - Chat 10:17, 1 February 2014 (UTC)

See Saarloos wolfdog and Kunming wolfdog. While I agree with Cloudz679, I think SergeWoodzing raises an important point; as wolfdog is seemingly closer to concepts like shepherds or collies or spaniels, than it is to lynx, badger or otter. I'm actually for lower-casing dog breed names if possible. Timmyshin (talk) 18:03, 5 February 2014 (UTC)

• Support, but it sort of depends on how the subject is treated. Dog breeds get title-case capitalization, while animal species do not. I suppose a wolfdog could be considered either one, and indeed, Category:Wolf-dog hybrids demonstrates the mixed usage. Consistency is desirable, though I'd be fine with one sort of capitalization for wolfdogs and another for conventional dog breeds. --BDD (talk) 20:14, 5 February 2014 (UTC)
• Support. This is not a new animal species, Canis lupus familiaris and Canis lupus lupus are both of the same species, so it's just a new breed, and so should be captitalised like other members of Category:Dog breeds and its subcategories. Andrewa (talk) 07:59, 22 February 2014 (UTC)

Discussion

Is the standard for dog breed names documented? Where? Andrewa (talk) 07:59, 22 February 2014 (UTC)

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Common dog in Slovakia

This isn't really encyclopaedic, but by observation it's a much more common breed in Slovakia than 50 pups registered per year nationwide would suggest - I assume most are not registered. Sorry that isn't actionable but if anyone finds info that contradicts/clarifies the article then please be inclined to believe it. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 85.237.234.100 (talk) 18:33, 10 September 2016 (UTC)

It was created buy Slovakian guy

Karel Hartl was not a breeder of this breed! It was Slovakian guy called Frantisek Rosik! And it was his idea to cross breed a Carpathian wolf with German shepherd. It was not idea of Karel Hartl. That is very misleading informational. Karel Hartl just wanted a new breed to protect borders. And it was Frantisek Rosik ....very famous and respected cynologist. He is a true father of Czechoslovakian wolfdog. Not Karel Hartl. It's basically a Slovakian national breed but it was registered as Czechoslovakian breed. But it was a Slovak guy who created this breed near Bratislava region. Within the Bratislava PS Brigade, Rosík methodically and professionally managed the breeding of service dogs of the German Shepherd breed, established competitions of dog handlers and service dogs of the PS and experimentally crossed other working and service breeds of dogs for the needs of the PS. Therefore, since 1960 he has been actively involved in the project of interspecific crossing of the Carpathian wolf with the German Shepherd, which was initiated by the Chief of Service Cynology of the General Administration of the PS, then Major. Ing. Karel Hartl.

The PS kennel was moved from Šamorín in 1964 to the premises of the PS Training Battalion in Malacky, and finally to Dlhé Lúky near Moravský Svätý Ján. In 1965, the General Administration of the PS ended the interspecific crossing project, but František Rosík, supported by some passionate civilian cynologists, began to toy with the idea of ​​creating a new breed of dog, so the interspecific crossing project changed his lifelong mission.

He continued to cross selected individuals, methodically and professionally managed breeding within the Bratislava Union PS and for civilian breeders. He formed a new breed and prepared its standard. Breeding the breed became his lifelong mission, he became the "father" of the new Slovak breed, which the International Cynological Federation recognized as a separate breed under the name of the Czechoslovakian Wolfhound 46.34.245.110 (talk) 22:02, 4 February 2022 (UTC)

Requested move 20 November 2022

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The result of the move request was: not moved. Opposing voice noted that the current title is recognised, and have shown some evidence that the current title is the preferred name. Even if to be moved, there's no consensus on another name to be the title. (closed by non-admin page mover) – robertsky (talk) 13:25, 7 December 2022 (UTC)

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Czechoslovakian Wolfdog → Czechoslovakian Vlcak – incorrect common name for a breed recognized by the American Kennel Club and United Kennel Club as the Czechoslovakian Vlcak. Czechoslovakian wolfdog is used in the UK where the breed is not recognized by the national kennel club. Accurate terminology for this breed is important due to the potential to misconstrue this purebred breed of dog with mixed breed wolfdogs, which are common in the USA, and the legal issues that come with that. Vlcaksociety (talk) 21:03, 20 November 2022 (UTC) This is a contested technical request (permalink). GeoffreyT2000 (talk) 22:24, 20 November 2022 (UTC) — Relisting. – robertsky (talk) 06:58, 29 November 2022 (UTC)

• Contest this: this breed is recognised as the Czechoslovakian Wolfdog by the Fédération Cynologique Internationale, which represents almost every dog-owning country in the world (with two notable exceptions). This would need a full WP:RM discussion. Justlettersandnumbers (talk) 21:14, 20 November 2022 (UTC)
  • The FCI partners with the AKC, where it is recognized as Czechoslovakian Vlcak. Out of the English speaking FCI countries, New Zealand and Australia both unilaterally banned the Czechoslovakian Vlcak for import and ownership is considered illegal in both countries, and the only other that is part of the FCI is Ireland. All other countries use other variants of the name, as per their primary languages. The breed is not recognized in the UK or Canada. As such the most common english usage name is Czechoslocakian Vlcak under the AKC and UKC. Vlcaksociety (talk) 21:31, 20 November 2022 (UTC)
• vlčák In ictu oculi (talk) 23:51, 20 November 2022 (UTC)

• Czechoslovakian Vlcak Chrz (talk) 12:33, 23 November 2022 (UTC)

Relisting comment: looking for consensus on one name. – robertsky (talk) 06:58, 29 November 2022 (UTC)

• Oppose per my initial contestation above. Some search results:
  • Scholar: "czechoslovakian wolfdog" -vlcak, 161; "czechoslovakian vlcak" -wolfdog, 5
  • Wikipedia Library search (provided by EBSCO): "czechoslovakian wolfdog", 304; "czechoslovakian vlcak", 1 (text is "... Czechoslovakian Wolfdog (ceskoslovensky vlcak) ..."
  • Texts on archive.org: "czechoslovakian wolfdog", 39; "czechoslovakian vlcak", 1

Some books that I have in digital form and can easily search:

• Anne Rogers Clark, Andrew H. Brace (1995). The International Encyclopedia of Dogs. New York: Howell Book House. ISBN 0876056249: "Czechoslovakian Wolfdog", page 195; "Ceskoslovensky Vlcak, see Czechoslovakian Wolfdog", page 493
• [Bruce Fogle] (2013). The Dog Encyclopedia. London; New York: Dorling Kindersley. ISBN 9781465408440: "Czechoslovakian Wolfdog", page 40; "Ceskoslovenský Vicak FCI see Czechoslovakian Wolfdog", page 351
• Kim Dennis-Bryan (2020 [2012])). The Complete Dog Breed Book, second edition. London: Dorling Kindersley. ISBN 9780241412732: "Czechoslovakian Wolfdog", page 34; "Czechoslovakian Vlcak see Czechoslovakian Wolfdog", page 344

NB this last book is pretty much a reprint of the one above; please note also that these three are all among those that archive.org throws up in the search above. Justlettersandnumbers (talk) 10:29, 29 November 2022 (UTC)

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Name of the breed

@Vulpesking this is the English language Wikipedia so we use the English name of the breed for the article. There is a discussion about which resulted in consensus to use the English name of the breed. Start a WP:MOVEREQUEST if you think it should be changed. Traumnovelle (talk) 06:51, 31 October 2024 (UTC)