Talk:DELE

Requested move 07 November 2015

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The result of the move request was: Move. Cúchullain ^t/c 15:50, 25 November 2015 (UTC)

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DELE (Spanish test) → DELE – Unnecessary disambiguation; only thing with the acronym "DELE" – -- Tavix ^(talk) 00:34, 7 November 2015 (UTC) Relisted. Jenks24 (talk) 02:02, 15 November 2015 (UTC)

This is a contested technical request (permalink). EdJohnston (talk) 03:14, 7 November 2015 (UTC)

Comment: In my opinion, the page title should be spelled out as Diplomas de Español como Lengua Extranjera. See WP:ACRONYMTITLE. On the Spanish Wikipedia, the name is spelled out in full. Same for Wikipedias in all the Western European languages. See Diplomas de Español como Lengua Extranjera. The full title is where this page used to be until May 2014, when it was moved to the abbreviation without discussion. EdJohnston (talk) 03:14, 7 November 2015 (UTC)

I'm fine with that. It should either be at DELE or spelled out. The current title isn't a good one. -- Tavix ^(talk) 03:37, 7 November 2015 (UTC)

I oppose to move it to the full name. According to Wikipedia:Article titles, "Wikipedia does not necessarily use the subject's 'official' name as an article title" and the general rule is that a commonly recognizable name in English language, which best fits criteria such as recognizability and naturalness, should be used. So it makes sense to spell out the full name in the Spanish article, since it is natural and recognizable for Spanish speakers to use the full name to refer to the test - at the end of the day it is a Spanish name. But it doesn't make sense for an English speaker. If I only speak English, it is impossible for me to use the full name "Diplomas de Español como Lengua Extranjera" to refer to the test; for a normal English speaker, it is most normal, natural and recognizable to call it "DELE", like all my classmates did when I was learning Spanish (a normal English speaker can't even recognize the name). And in English media, it is also most common to call it "DELE". It is just like the case of FIFA. We should use "FIFA" as the article name, instead of the official name "Fédération Internationale de Football Association" or "International Federation of Association Football", since the name "FIFA" is more natural and recognizable for, and most commonly used by, the English speakers.

If it is moved to simply "DELE", then I am fine with it. But it should be noted that there is a page called dele (if you enter the small letter "dele", you will only get to dele). And I think the parentheses are used to disambiguate these two pages. If the you guys think it is not a big deal, I am fine with it, though I still prefer keeping the parentheses for sake of disambiguation. Salt (talk) 02:09, 11 November 2015 (UTC)

• Support. Salt makes a good case for why we should not use the full name in this case (and a casual search shows that most media sources simply use "DELE"). Disambiguation is also unnecessary in this case – the proposed target redirects here anyway and as far as I can tell this is only Wikipedia article that could reasonably be referred to by the all-caps "DELE" so it's unambiguous. Jenks24 (talk) 12:56, 23 November 2015 (UTC)

• Very much against having multiple articles with titles distinguished only by capitalisation. DELE (Spanish test) got 1362 hits on October, while DELE/Dele/dele (the traffic counter cannot distinguish) got 817 and the disambig page got 59. It looks as if the language qualification should be moved to DELE, while the printer's mark becomes Dele (proofreading mark). Then Dele should become a disambig page covering Dele (proofreading mark), Dele (name), and DELE: Noyster (talk), 13:22, 25 November 2015 (UTC)

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