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Irena Lexova

Who is this person? And is there a reference for her statement in the article? Skingski (talk) 19:10, 2 November 2018 (UTC)

Resolved her importance to the subject. Skingski (talk) 00:55, 4 November 2018 (UTC)

Funeral dances

Why does the article refer to the goddess Hathor as "the lady of drunkenness"? She is known by many other names as well. Why is this one singled out? Skingski (talk) 19:18, 2 November 2018 (UTC)

Found that this is a fragment from the massive plagiarism in this section from the Dunn reference. Removed. Skingski (talk) 23:08, 3 November 2018 (UTC)

Metwally

The reference:

Metwally, Yasser . "Dancing in Ancient Egypt ." Dancing in Ancient Egypt<< Usamamohd’s weblog 1-4. Web.5 July 2009. [5]

is a "protected blog" that cannot be publicly accessed. Its veracity and research is not ascertainable. Therefore, it should be removed. Skingski (talk) 19:31, 2 November 2018 (UTC)

Resolved. Skingski (talk) 01:02, 5 November 2018 (UTC)

Dance types

Kassing and Lexova classify more dance types than listed, such as Animal and Imitative and Entertainment. An old version did include for instance "Dramatic Dances" section which was deleted on Nov. 1 2012 without a reason given. I propose to specify the major dance types highlighted by these authors.Skingski (talk) 22:47, 2 November 2018 (UTC)

Types

The section "Types" is confusing. It mixes the classification of types of dance by occasion with the types of dance movements - both of which are separately considered in distinct sections later ("Solo, Pair and Group Dances" and "Types of Dancing"). Skingski (talk) 23:12, 2 November 2018 (UTC)

Lexova considers Pair and Group as dance types. So rearranged sections to reflect that. Skingski (talk) 19:40, 5 November 2018 (UTC)

References/further reading

• The book, The Dance (by An Antiquary) Historic Illustrations of Dancing from 3300 B.C. to 1911 A.D., is removed since the section on Egypt is almost entirely a long direct quotation from the 1847 Wilkinson reference. Skingski (talk) 16:20, 3 November 2018 (UTC)

• "The Dancing Of Ancient Egypt And Greece." The Dancing Of Ancient Egypt And Greece [1924] 1-8. Web.12 July 2009. [1]

This is an anonymous essay on the internet without any sourcing and it is not apparent it added information to the article. It should be deleted. Skingski (talk) 20:17, 3 November 2018 (UTC)

• Dunn, Jimmy (August 4, 2011). "To Dance in Ancient Egypt". Tour Egypt. Retrieved November 3, 2018.

This reference has some misleading info or typos:

"A group of dance performers known as the hnrt are known to be associated with childbirth ceremonies, but might have also been associated with funerals in helping the deceased enter a new life."

I find no reference to an hnrt in other literature - only the hnr and hnrwt (khener-women with the royal harem in Morris, JARCE 47:72-103, 2011; khener men or women associated with Hathor in Ward, "Essays on Feminine Titles of the Middle Kingdom and Related Subjects," American University of Beirut, Syracuse University Press, pp. 76-7, 1986).

An association of the hnr with childbirth would make sense - one story has an hnr group filled with goddesses involved in midwifing.

Importantly, the hnr are not a group of performers, but a term that refers to most professional dance groups, apparently encompassing muu dancers, irrespective of the occasions they dance for. Therefore, the bit on hnrt is deleted.

"From the very beginning, there were several words for dance, of which the most common was ib3 which might me properly translated as "caper". "

I have not found yet a word "ib3". However there is iba. They used this word for the movements of an ostrich at sunrise and for a human dance.

These examples indicate this reference needs to be cited very carefully. Skingski (talk) 16:16, 6 November 2018 (UTC)

Further reading

Sources that are in the reference section probably do not need to be repeated in this section. So, duplicates can be deleted. Skingski (talk) 23:10, 7 November 2018 (UTC)

Merger proposal

I propose that the article Khener be merged into this page since it is a stub and deals with dancers.Skingski (talk) 02:31, 5 November 2018 (UTC)

Agreed. – Kekki1978 talk 15:22, 11 February 2019 (UTC)