Talk:David Wagner (soccer)

Requested move 20 December 2015

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The result of the move request was: moved. The consensus is to follow the standard disambiguation practices for football/soccer players. Jenks24 (talk) 04:59, 28 December 2015 (UTC)

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David Wagner (footballer) → David Wagner (soccer) – he is American Joeykai (talk) 02:47, 20 December 2015 (UTC)

• Oppose - He is not American; he has dual German and American nationality and was brought up in Germany. Since he has played and coached his club football exclusively in Germany and England then the present title seems appropriate. Just Chilling (talk) 15:10, 20 December 2015 (UTC)
• Support - His fifa nationality is American since he played for the USMNT. It's not a matter of where he played/coached his club soccer. So I think moving to David Wagner (soccer) seems more appropriate. – Michael (talk) 19:40, 20 December 2015 (UTC)

• There is actually no such thing as a 'fifa nationality'. Having played for USMNT doesn't affect his actual nationality. We have a long string of footballers who have played for the Republic of Ireland through family connections but it doesn't make them Irish. The key features are that he was born in Germany of a German mother, brought up in Germany, has worked only in Europe. The US connection is that his father is American but the balance surely is to give his European connections precedence. Just Chilling (talk) 00:53, 21 December 2015 (UTC)

• There has been consensus that nationality is relevant to his notability (as a national team player). So yes, playing for the national team does affect his actual nationality. Especially since three of his eight USMNT appearances were World Cup qualifying matches. – Michael (talk) 01:23, 21 December 2015 (UTC)

• Eh? Harry Arter is British. The fact that he played for the Republic football team doesn't make him Irish. Nationality is changed through the relevant immigration authorities not by playing for a sporting team. Just Chilling (talk) 03:38, 21 December 2015 (UTC)

• Support - I would just go for soccer to prevent confusion among US readers, for the rest of the world "soccer" should also work I think. But of course Wagner is principally a German footballer. DrunkenGerman (talk) 16:09, 21 December 2015 (UTC)

Note: This discussion has been included in WikiProject Football's list of association football-related page moves. – Michael (talk) 19:41, 20 December 2015 (UTC)

• Support - he is American and the disambiguator we use for American players is 'soccer' - just as if we had a German active in the USA we would still use 'footballer'. GiantSnowman 18:04, 21 December 2015 (UTC)
• Support - agreed disambiguator for US association footballers. Fenix down (talk) 13:38, 22 December 2015 (UTC)
• Support - consensus is that American association football players are disambiguated with (soccer). As Wagner has played on the USMNT, that makes him American in the eyes of the footballing world, regardless of any other legal nationality or citizenship. — Jkudlick ^tc_s 04:12, 25 December 2015 (UTC)

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Just wanted to say, but the above decision is absolutely, ridiculously embarrassing. The sport is football, no matter how hard you might try to make it be called soccer. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 110.20.249.207 (talk) 17:42, 6 August 2016 (UTC)

I would also like to add that this discussion is embarrassing because you're treating him like the only footballer ever to not play for the country of his birth. I've never seen a player's nationality so hotly contested as Wagner. The only reason anyone doubts it is his accent. Correct, Harry Arter wasn't born in Ireland. But nobody refers to Raheem Sterling as a Jamaican or Erling Haaland as an Englishman because they have the accents of their representative countries. Whatever citizenship he legally holds is not important, this isn't a discussion about if he's an immigrant or not. He chose to represent the USA in football so if we're talking about David Wagner the footballer, we're talking about an American. 77.99.89.230 (talk) 13:08, 11 March 2020 (UTC)