Talk:David Weir

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The result of the move request was: pages moved -- JHunterJ (talk) 14:46, 30 April 2012 (UTC)

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• David Weir (disambiguation) → David Weir
• David Weir → David Weir (Scottish footballer)

– The Scottish footballer was moved from "David Weir (Scottish footballer)" to the base name David Weir in Feb 2011 with edit note "(moved David Weir (Scottish footballer) to David Weir: this page has ten-times the trafic of all the other David Weir pages combined)", but it seems unlikely that this is still the case as the paralympic gold medallist David Weir (athlete) has just won his 6th London Wheelchair Marathon. There is probably now no primary usage and the disambiguation page should be at the base name. PamD 13:36, 22 April 2012 (UTC)

• The footballer has actually got 5 times as many views as the athlete in the last 30 days. Adam4267 (talk) 16:58, 22 April 2012 (UTC)
• But doesn't that peak look a bit odd, the same time the Wheelchair Marathon was in the news people suddenly looked at David Weir the footballer? (I'm no expert on how to use stats.grok.se). In ictu oculi (talk) 10:32, 23 April 2012 (UTC)
• Absolutely. Comparing stats on David Weir v David Weir (athlete) is, to say the least, ambiguous. There is no way of knowing whether people went to David Weir because they were looking for the footballer or the athlete. -- chris_j_wood (talk) 13:18, 23 April 2012 (UTC)

However, if they actually wanted the Athlete they would then go on to look at that page which would mean a more comparable figure. I Would oppose this move at this time as it appears their is no evidence to say that anyone but the footballer is the primary usage.Edinburgh Wanderer 18:34, 24 April 2012 (UTC)

• Support the proposed moves. There is nothing to show the footballer is the primary topic. As it says on WP:PRIMARYTOPIC, "A topic is primary for a term, with respect to usage, if it is highly likely—much more likely than any other topic, and more likely than all the other topics combined—to be the topic sought when a reader searches for that term.". There is nothing to show the footballer meets that. I notice those article traffic stats now show both the David Weir article and the David Weir (athlete) article had about 5000 views in the last 30 days. Also, Edinburgh Wanderer's assumption that if people wanted the athlete they would then go on to look at that is not necessarily correct. As people might not spot the little "for other uses" link at the top of the page. --Vclaw (talk) 00:33, 26 April 2012 (UTC)

• Support. There is no current valid evidence that either David Weir merits primary topic disambiguation (the stats quoted above merely prove that primary topic disambiguation is a good way to bump up your article stats). We should therefore revert to the normal form of Wikipedia disambiguation. -- chris_j_wood (talk) 12:35, 26 April 2012 (UTC)

And incidentally, the relevant criteria for primary topic disambiguation in WP:PRIMARYTOPIC is A topic is primary for a term, with respect to usage, if it is highly likely—much more likely than any other topic, and more likely than all the other topics combined—to be the topic sought when a reader searches for that term. Note much-more, not just more. Even if we accept the 5x stats, I don't think 5 times is sufficient to be classified as much more rather than just more. My rule of thumb is at least 10 times, and I'm uncomfortable with anything less than 100 times. -- chris_j_wood (talk) 12:42, 26 April 2012 (UTC)

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