Talk:Lynching of Robert Mallard

Did you know nomination

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The result was: rejected by reviewer, closed by BorgQueen (talk) 01:03, 3 August 2023 (UTC)

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• ... that after 25 minutes of deliberation, the murderers of Robert Mallard were let go without charges? Source: https://books.google.com/books/about/This_Georgia_Rising.html?id=9Li_lnmeAG0C
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Created by Roastedbeanz1 (talk). Self-nominated at 22:51, 29 May 2023 (UTC). Post-promotion hook changes for this nom will be logged at Template talk:Did you know nominations/Death of Robert Mallard; consider watching this nomination, if it is successful, until the hook appears on the Main Page.

General: Article is new enough and long enough
New enough: Long enough:

Policy: Article is sourced, neutral, and free of copyright problems
Adequate sourcing: Neutral: Free of copyright violations, plagiarism, and close paraphrasing:

Hook eligibility:

• Cited: - n
• Interesting:

QPQ: Done.

Overall: someone copied your article. QPQ maybe needed. Which page are you citing from that book? FuzzyMagma (talk) 21:07, 30 May 2023 (UTC)

@FuzzyMagma: Please confirm if this is true, but the nominator doesn't seem to have any prior DYK nominations so no QPQ would be required in this case. Narutolovehinata5 (talk · contributions) 16:26, 23 June 2023 (UTC)

@Narutolovehinata5: you are right. @Roastedbeanz1: Still need the page FuzzyMagma (talk) 17:31, 23 June 2023 (UTC)

• There's an issue with the hook—usually editors argue that we can't say there was a "murder" in wikivoice without a murder conviction. In this case it may be acceptable but the hook should make it clear that it was a racially motivated lynching. (t · c) buidhe 22:04, 27 June 2023 (UTC)

• Roastedbeanz1 your input is needed if you want this hook to run on DYK. ~~ AirshipJungleman29 (talk) 15:37, 26 July 2023 (UTC)

• Nominator has not responded to the comments and reviews despite multiple pings and talk page messages, and despite activity elsewhere on Wikipedia. Narutolovehinata5 (talk · contributions) 04:26, 2 August 2023 (UTC)

GA Review

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Reviewer: TompaDompa (talk · contribs) 00:59, 19 June 2023 (UTC)

This is a WP:QUICKFAIL. Some of the issues I noted:

• In general, the article needs thorough copyediting for grammar, capitalization, and so on.
• Amy’s family went to Baltimore – this is the first time Amy is mentioned at all, which means the reader does not have the necessary context here.
• Mallard Amy were driving home – I'm guessing this is meant to say "[Robert] Mallard and Amy were driving home". This is one of many examples where copyediting is needed.
• The article says that Mallard was born in 1918 and died in 1948. The sources say he was 37 when he died.
• The article says that Clifton and Howell were acquitted. The sources say that Howell was acquitted and the charges against Clifton were dropped.
• Herman Talmadge did not order an investigation by the Georgia Bureau of Investigation (GBI). After looking at the case, the agents went to Mallard's funeral [...] – this is rather a non sequitur. An investigation was not ordered, but the agents looked at the case anyway? Either something is wrong, or some clarifying information is missing.
• Of the five men who surrendered – this is the first mention of anyone surrendering (apart from the same information appearing in the WP:LEAD). How did that come about?
• While Howell's lawyer, Thomas Ross Sharpe, used the tactic of putting the jury under oath and making them stand before the judge. – grammar aside, according to the sources only two jurors were called to testify. The rather important detail that they were used as character witnesses for the defense is also omitted.
• The article does not mention that the defense claimed that Amy Mallard was armed when her husband was killed.

I'll add some maintenance tags to the article. TompaDompa (talk) 00:59, 19 June 2023 (UTC)

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GA Review

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Nominator: Roastedbeanz1 (talk · contribs)

Reviewer: Bruxton (talk · contribs) 21:36, 21 March 2024 (UTC)

Review

I will review this article. I may need to do some editing for expediency if you will allow it. Bruxton (talk) 21:36, 21 March 2024 (UTC)

My opinion is that this article is a long way from meeting our Wikipedia:Good article criteria for a GA.

1. The prose needs to be developed
2. The page numbers of every book need to be stated
3. Many citations do not seem to support the information
4. The article is not complete and does not follow an expected order.
5. I do not think the article is B class but I see that you rated it as a c and then upgraded it yourself to a B

Please do not get discouraged. Continue to take the suggestions of reviewers and improve the article. I was going to give it a go, but we are too far from GAN ready. Bruxton (talk) 14:20, 22 March 2024 (UTC)

Lead

? We should not have citations in the lead per wp:leadcite. The lead should be summary and the items in the lead should be in the body and cited there.

Sections

? needs work. Standard practice would be to remove the biography heading and change prior life to early life

? Sections should be chronological and we should develop them. Have we said all there is to say about his early life?

? Can we add a personal life section to the bottom?

Grammar

? "elementary school with John and two of Amy's cousin's:" consider "cousins"

? "When sheriff R. E. Gray arrived to the scene," Consider capitalize Sheriff and arrived at. "When Sheriff R. E. Gray arrived at the scene,

? "Angelina, and William fled for Savannah, Georgia" consider "fled to"

? "After the surrenders," should just be "surrender"

? "and the group shot the vehicle with pistols, which killed Mallard.[9][10] When sheriff R. E. Gray arrived to the scene, they searched Amy's pocketbook and the vehicle.[11][8]" In my opinion this is not enough information. please develop this. And perhaps let the reader know more about the shooting and why this last sentence is important.

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Citations

? "The car was stopped by a group of about 20 members of the Ku Klux Klan" I cannot find this in the source.

? "Robert Childs Mallard[1] was born c. 1911.[2] He was a traveling casket salesman[3]". Is it necessary to clutter the sentence with a citation every few words? See WP:CONSECUTIVECITE

? "Mallard lived on a 35-acre farm he gained from his wife, Amy James Mallard's, white stepfather-in-law[4]" Citation four does not support this sentence from what I can see. You also do not provide a page number.

? Citations 5 and 6 do not provide page numbers.

? The first paragraph of Aftermath has one Time citation which does not support the information.

? The second paragraph of Aftermath has two citaions. The second one Defending White Democracy: The Making of a Segregationist... I cannot find the information because no page number is given

? "began an unofficial investigation. His investigation led police to five people. They surrendered, and two of the men were indicted for the murder; Ku Klux Klan members William L. "Spud" Howell, and Roderick Clifton.[16]" this citation does not seem to support the sentence

? "After the surrenders, fires broke out in the local black business area.[17][18][19]" unable to confirm this information in the given sources

Images

? We can see if an image can be found, and it can be included here under Fair Use

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