Talk:Death and state funeral of Joseph Stalin

Death

The title of this article is a bit of a misnomer - the death is currently treated in seven words. There is quite a lot of detail at Lavrentiy Beria#Stalin's death most of which could be copied here? Beria claimed to have killed him. Martinevans123 (talk) 14:25, 4 November 2017 (UTC)

I don't think we should do that as then every time the other article has a relevant change it will need to be copied here. Surely the place for details of Stalin's death is in the Joseph Stalin article? As far as I can see there is not a lot of new information here anyway other than the list of dignitaries attending his funeral (which I see has been tagged for a lack of citations). I suggest that this article and the Stalin article be merged, but I do not know how to do that. Exbrum (talk) 14:34, 9 November 2017 (UTC)

I don't think every time would be necessary, but interested editors would probably be able to easily keep check, especially as it's linked there. I must admit that the title of this article suggested to me that the correct place for details about Stalin's death (and there are quite a few) was here. Given the size of the main article I would suggest that, if anything, some material should be moved from there to here. Martinevans123 (talk) 15:29, 9 November 2017 (UTC)

Of course this should be expanded, but copy-paste does not really work. This is a complicated story. My very best wishes (talk) 02:55, 12 March 2018 (UTC)

Pravda

Currently says "two days after the stroke and one day before the death. .. Mar 04 1953" and "one day after the stroke and 7 hours before he died. .. Mar 05 1953" which implies the stroke was on 2nd May and 4th May! Should the first be two days after falling ill? Lovingboth (talk) 19:54, 11 March 2018 (UTC)

Corrected: all reports now dates from Mar 01.--Armenius vambery (talk) 02:06, 14 April 2018 (UTC)

It also says he had a severe stroke in 1953 and died 24 hours later... but earlier it says he died in 1955. Which is it? I know in many Communist nations they often obfuscate and delay announcing the passing of a "beloved" leader for days or weeks, but is this a boo-boo or are we implying they didn't tell the public about Stalin's death for two got-dang years? --2604:2D80:4F81:8A00:8C1A:A41D:1C25:EA89 (talk) 17:32, 1 July 2024 (UTC)

Where does it say 1955? Firefangledfeathers (talk / contribs) 17:42, 1 July 2024 (UTC)

Removing "Death" from title

If we can't add info on Stalin's death, should we just remove that word from the title. Benica11 (talk) 00:48, 27 January 2019 (UTC)

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Edit request

In Church tributes section: Change "an Eulogy" to "a eulogy" (grammatically correct). 67.163.114.70 (talk) 19:51, 12 October 2023 (UTC)

References

 Done, corrected a few other things around that area as well.  BelowTheSun  (T•C) 20:50, 12 October 2023 (UTC)

Thank you! 67.163.114.70 (talk) 20:53, 12 October 2023 (UTC)

Human crush number of deaths

In the first paragraph of the article, there's a false statement that hundreds of thousands died during this event. S3m1f64 (talk) 13:47, 7 February 2024 (UTC)

The statement is actually "hundreds or thousands", which seems to be trying reflect the opposing estimates of: "Khrushchev later provided an estimate that 109" and "the real number of deaths may have been in the thousands". Martinevans123 (talk) 15:39, 7 February 2024 (UTC)

“On the day of the funeral, hundreds of thousands of Soviet citizens visiting the capital to pay their respects died in a human crush.”

This is not supported by the source. [2] says “John J. Fruin, a former Port Authority of New York and New Jersey research engineer and the father of modern crowd science, has written that in 1953, when a crowd of three million gathered in Moscow for Joseph Stalin’s funeral, hundreds and possibly thousands were crushed to death”. Also, hundreds of thousands of deaths is implausible. 2600:1013:B019:27C6:1476:1344:E00F:7515 (talk) 04:45, 27 August 2024 (UTC)

Semi-protected edit request on 17 February 2024

”On the day of the funeral, hundreds or thousands of Soviet citizens visiting the capital to pay their respects died in a human crush.[1][2]”

This CANNOT be right, one of the sources point to a vanity fair article regarding Mecca that does not even mention Stalin’s death.

I’d remove the entire sentence. 85.231.48.243 (talk) 00:21, 17 February 2024 (UTC)

 Not done: the source in question mentions Stalin's death. M.Bitton (talk) 02:32, 18 February 2024 (UTC)

Semi-protected edit request on 20 March 2024

Request to add a fourth paragraph under Death and state funeral of Joseph Stalin#Illness and death:

At 6:00 a.m. on 6 March 1953, Yuri Levitan made the announcement to the Soviet population on Radio Moscow:

'The Central Committee of the Communist party, the Council of Ministers and the Praesidium of the Supreme Soviet of the U.S.S.R. announce with deep grief to the party and all workers that on March 5 at 9.50 p.m., Josef Vissarionovich Stalin, Secretary of the Central Committee of the Communist party and Chairman of the Council of Ministers, died after a serious illness. The heart of the collaborator and follower of the genius of Lenin's work, the wise leader and teacher of the Communist party and of the Soviet people, stopped beating.'

(Time stated in the article in UTC+00:00, Moscow Time UTC+03:00) 223.25.74.34 (talk) 03:30, 20 March 2024 (UTC)

 Partly done: Including entire quote seems unnecessary WP:WBA. Change |answered=no to no if you think otherwise. — hako9 (talk) 01:44, 24 April 2024 (UTC)

Semi-protected edit request on 20 August 2024

In the second paragraph of the funeral service, the following is claimed.

 Khrushchev later provided an estimate that 109 people died in the crowd, although the real number of deaths may have been in the 
 thousands.[1]

While the source that is cited does support the claim that 109 died, there is no reason to believe that "the real number of deaths may have been in the thousands". This is an absurd claim, one not supported by the source nor any other writings about the funeral. I would like the segment which makes the unfounded claim removed.

— Preceding unsigned comment added by Idiofyis (talk • contribs) 23:58, 20 August 2024 (UTC)

 Done. Cowlan (talk) 18:35, 17 September 2024 (UTC)