Talk:Madusa

GA Review

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I shall be reviewing this page against the Good Article criteria, following its nomination for Good Article status. Jezhotwells (talk) 19:51, 28 July 2009 (UTC)

Quick fail criteria assessment

1. The article completely lacks reliable sources – see Wikipedia:Verifiability.

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2. The topic is treated in an obviously non-neutral way – see Wikipedia:Neutral point of view.

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3. There are cleanup banners that are obviously still valid, including cleanup, wikify, NPOV, unreferenced or large numbers of fact, clarifyme, or similar tags.

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4. The article is or has been the subject of ongoing or recent, unresolved edit wars.

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5. The article specifically concerns a rapidly unfolding current event with a definite endpoint.

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No problems encountered when checking against the quick fail criteria, on to substantive review. Jezhotwells (talk) 19:54, 28 July 2009 (UTC)

Checking against GA criteria

1. It is reasonably well written.

   a (prose):

   • Lead: two successive sentences start with She later...;
   • 'Early career: six sentences start with She..., consider using her family name or varying the sentence structure to improve readability. This fault is common throughout the article.
   • Personal life: She also worked at Arby's ... I know that you have wikilinked Arby's but it would be better to explain e.g. She worked at an Arby's restaurant. I don't think that chain is quite as famous as MacDonalds. ...she released a CD of her singing in Japanese. Clumsy, suggest something like ...she released a CD of songs sung in Japanese.
   • Suggest a thorough copy-edit. Jezhotwells (talk) 20:44, 28 July 2009 (UTC) Y

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2. It is factually accurate and verifiable.

   a (references):

   • I fixed one deadlink using CheckLinks. References check out. Jezhotwells (talk) 20:44, 28 July 2009 (UTC)

   b (citations to reliable sources):

   c (OR):

3. It is broad in its scope.

   a (major aspects):

   b (focused):

4. It follows the neutral point of view policy.

   Fair representation without bias:

5. It is stable.

   No edit wars etc.:

6. It is illustrated by images, where possible and appropriate.

   a (images are tagged and non-free images have fair use rationales):

   b (appropriate use with suitable captions):

7. Overall:

   Pass/Fail:

   • OK, the prose as noted above needs copy-editing. On hold for seven days. Jezhotwells (talk) 20:44, 28 July 2009 (UTC) Y
   • Wow! Much improved. I am happy to confirm that this article deserves Ga status. Thanks for your hard work. Jezhotwells (talk) 16:05, 2 August 2009 (UTC)

Thanks for the review. I have copyedited the article, specifically focusing on sentence structure. Is it sufficient? Nikki♥311 02:51, 29 July 2009 (UTC)

Requested move 22 April 2016

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The result of the move request was: Moved to Madusa. Consensus that her birth name is not commonly used, and the fact that there are two alternatives is not a reason not to pick one of them.  — Amakuru (talk) 11:04, 31 May 2016 (UTC)

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Debrah Miceli → Madusa – The current location of the article is suspect as it's clearly not her most common name. It appears on its face that Madusa is the most common name due to the length of her career under that ring name as well as plenty of reliable sources who still refer to her under that name, but I would also like to hear arguments for "Alundra Blayze", especially since she was recently inducted in the Hall of Fame under that name. Feedback 19:52, 22 April 2016 (UTC) --Relisted. George Ho (talk) 09:11, 30 April 2016 (UTC) --Relisted. Anarchyte (work | talk) 08:34, 24 May 2016 (UTC)

• Oppose - Sports World News use two stage names—including Alundra Blayze—and the birth name of Debrah Miceli. Newswire, The Spec, use both names. Christian Post and IB Times use only Alundra Blayze. In other words, I have limited to just within past twelve months and found both stage names interchangeably used. Default to birth or real name instead. George Ho (talk) 01:13, 8 May 2016 (UTC)

Can you find ANY sort of precedent for a "default to birth or real name instead" stance when a subject has popular common names? WP:COMMONNAME says we must choose the most common one via consensus. Your stance that we should go to birthname is not only not supported by policy, but it's bizarre and counter-productive. She's not widely known under this name so there's no point in keeping the article here. When there's a consensus to create a WP:BIRTHNAME policy for birthnames to supersede stage names, then let me know, but until then, you're basically voting to ignore the rule, and that position shouldn't be taken seriously until we've exhausted all policy-based solutions. Feedback 20:50, 10 May 2016 (UTC)

If Sean Combs is not a precedent, what else is? Also, Michael Sorrentino is chosen by consensus instead of his stage name. --George Ho (talk) 02:48, 11 May 2016 (UTC)

Sean Combs is definitely one of his common names, so it's a completely different predicament. He has many common names and we chose one via consensus just as policy requires. Madusa has never been known as Debrah so there's absolutely no reason why we should settle on that as a common name. The Situation should definitely not be under that name. The fact that I had no idea who you were talking about until I clicked the link says it all. That move was unsupported by policy, and considering you're the mastermind behind it, I wouldn't cite that as valid precedent. It appears that you care little for the WP:NAMINGCRITERIA, but consensus is to follow it. Feedback 15:14, 11 May 2016 (UTC)

What about Alundra Blayze? Miceli is also commonly known as that. George Ho (talk) 16:13, 11 May 2016 (UTC)

Yes, that's the point. Like I said in the move request, I'm willing to hear arguments for Alundra. The policy if there's no clear common name is to put them all in a basket and choose one via consensus. Reverting to the birthname as a default is not the policy, and it's just a crutch in order to avoid having to build a consensus. I personally think Madusa is her common name since she still uses it, and reliable sources had settled on addressing her as Madusa before her Hall of Fame induction. Ever since the HoF, "Alundra Blayze" has had a resurgence in reliable sources, but I think it's either presentism or recentism to give those sources undue weight. I believe Madusa continues to be her most common name, but like I said, I would happily recognize a consensus to move to Alundra. Keeping it at Debra though is just out of the question as there's absolutely no reason to keep her at a name that fails the Recognizability, Naturalness and Consistency doctrines of the naming criteria. Feedback 16:38, 11 May 2016 (UTC)

Support move to either Madusa or Alundra Blayze Either title is preferred over the current one. Prefall 08:21, 31 May 2016 (UTC)

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Marriages

"Her first marriage was in June 1997, she met NFL player Ken Blackman, and they married seven months later on February 14, 1998" - as written this makes no sense. Also, according to the infobox, it was not her first marriage...... -- ChrisTheDude (talk) 14:48, 30 October 2020 (UTC)

Debrah Ann Miceli[6][7] (born February 9, 1964)[1][unreliable source?], better known as Madusa, is an Italian-born American monster truck driver and former professional wrestler. As of 2015, she has been the commissioner of Japanese promotion World Wonder Ring Stardom. In professional wrestling Miceli is also known by the ring name Alundra Blayze, which she used while in the WWF/WWE. Outside of the WWF, she wrestled under her professional name of Madusa, which was shortened from "Made in the USA".[3] Her early career was spent in the American Wrestling Association, where she once held the AWA World Women's Championship. In 1988, she was the first woman to be awarded Pro Wrestling Illustrated's Rookie of the Year. The following year, she signed a contract with All Japan Women's Pro-Wrestling, making her the first foreign wrestler to do so.

Debrah Ann Miceli[6][7] (born February 9, 1964)[1][unreliable source?], better known as Madusa, is an Italian-born American monster truck driver and former professional wrestler. As of 2015, she has been the commissioner of Japanese promotion World Wonder Ring Stardom. In professional wrestling Miceli is also known by the ring name Alundra Blayze, which she used while in the WWF/WWE. Outside of the WWF, she wrestled under her professional name of Madusa, which was shortened from "Made in the USA".[3] Her early career was spent in the American Wrestling Association, where she once held the AWA World Women's Championship. In 1988, she was the first woman to be awarded Pro Wrestling Illustrated's Rookie of the Year. The following year, she signed a contract with All Japan Women's Pro-Wrestling, making her the first foreign wrestler to do so. 2605:A200:9500:400C:88A4:4D28:CF:1BBC (talk) 20:09, 12 September 2022 (UTC)