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Requested move 4 April 2019

Latest comment: 5 years ago11 comments4 people in discussion

The following is a closed discussion of a requested move. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made in a new section on the talk page. Editors desiring to contest the closing decision should consider a move review after discussing it on the closer's talk page. No further edits should be made to this section.

The result of the move request was: Moved — Amakuru (talk) 09:32, 15 April 2019 (UTC)Reply

Denmark Sound → Danmark Fjord – reason=It is named after Denmark expedition ship "Danmark", like Danmarkshavn.^[1] Xufanc (talk) 15:25, 4 April 2019 (UTC)Reply

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~~Oppose. Ping me if anyone comes up with evidence that the proposed name is the WP:COMMONNAME in English reliable sources. --В²C ☎ 02:57, 5 April 2019 (UTC)~~ Changed !vote; see below. --В²C ☎ 22:51, 11 April 2019 (UTC)Reply
"Denmark" is an error. The fjord is not named after the country. "Danmark" is the approved name in the Catalogue of Place names in Eastern Greenland by the Geological Survey of Denmark and Greenland, as well as in SAILING DIRECTIONS GREENLAND AND ICELAND Prepared and published by the National Geospatial-Intelligence Agency. The Fjord is named after a ship named Danmark (expedition ship), not after the country. For the WP:COMMONNAME see also Dutch, Italian and German Wikipedia articles, where it is Danmarkfjord and not "Denemarkenfjord", Danmark Fjord and not "Fiordo di Danimarca", Danmarkfjord and not "Dänemarkfjord", etc. It is not advisable to perpetuate an error in the English Wikipedia.
- WP title selection is not about "correctness". Please read WP:COMMONNAME and WP:OFFICIAL, carefully. Thank you. --В²C ☎ 03:46, 5 April 2019 (UTC)Reply
  - Thank you for the consideration. I am not used to haggling, but doing articles on Greenland fjords and glaciers, I realized that the fjord is named after a ship named "Danmark" (Danmark (1906)), not after Denmark, the country. The purpose of the suggested name change is to put right an error. The common name should be accurate, not misleading. Xufanc (talk) 11:32, 5 April 2019 (UTC)Reply
    - I'm not haggling. I'm trying to help you become informed about Wikipedia title decision-making norms. In addition to reading WP:COMMONNAME and WP:OFFICIAL, you might want to first take a look at WP:CORRECT. Anyone proposing title changes or weighing in on title changes needs to be aware of these considerations. Thank you. --В²C ☎ 16:41, 5 April 2019 (UTC)Reply
Support. Seems there are several books written in English (English reliable sources) that refer to this article's subject as "Danmark Fjord". Found a map page and tried several iterations, and only "Danmark Fjord" and "Danmark Fjord, Greenland" yielded results. Even the maps in the article don't use the "Denmark" spelling. Couple all that with the nom's Dartmouth Collections source and we find that this is definitely a correctable error that needs fixin'. Paine Ellsworth, ed. ^put'r there 21:33, 11 April 2019 (UTC)Reply
Support, per COMMONNAME, base on ngrams[1]. The proposed spelling is consistently referenced at least an order of magnitude more than the current title is. --В²C ☎ 22:51, 11 April 2019 (UTC)Reply

Off-topic talk about editing tips

To editor В²C: and now I know why ngrams didn't work for me. When I checked them I got nothing, zip, nada. I forgot to check the "case insensitive" box. You used uppercase, so you didn't have to check the box. Thanks for the usable lesson! Paine Ellsworth, ed. ^put'r there 17:37, 12 April 2019 (UTC)Reply
- Yeah, I've been burned by that before. Can make a HUGE difference! And now you just taught me about the label1 option to the to template! So thanks for that! --В²C ☎ 17:55, 12 April 2019 (UTC)Reply
  - Pleasure! Paine

PS. That labeling works great as long as the first character is uppercased, because it automatically capitalizes the first letter. Some editors, e.g., bd2412, like to lowercase their first letter. Finally got around that by using an invisible soft hyphen as the first character. That way, the "b" in "bd2412" becomes the second character and will then appear lowercased. Paine Ellsworth, ed. ^put'r there 18:06, 12 April 2019 (UTC)Reply

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