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The thread by Aqooni is correct and has been cited with numerous sources. The African Review: World of Information (1992) mentions clearly about the events of a combined SNM-Ethiopian attack on Borama, the capital o the Awdal Region. MustafaO

Thank you MustafaO (talk), for providing consensus on this talk page. The sources clearly do speak for themselves. The Dilla Massacre is a tragedy that happened. Aqooni (talk) 02:14, 3 June 2019 (UTC)Reply

This thread is being targeted by Vandals, removing cited sources and changing the name of the page without consensus.Aqooni (talk) 20:54, 1 June 2019 (UTC)Reply

Please refer to my edit summary. Infobox was removed as it was unsourced. I corrected numerous mis-quoted citations to be closer to source. There were a number of unsubstantiated claims lead to sources that do not support statements, this too was corrected. Exaggerations removed. Sources that were not scholarly were also removed (e.g. awdalpress.com, mareeg.com). There are no reputable sources that mention "Dilla Massacre". Battle of Dilla is a more suitable name as the sources mention fighting between the SNM and pro-government Gadabursi militia. Koodbuur (talk) 21:00, 1 June 2019 (UTC)Reply
Your edit summary is vandal like in its entirety. This page is about The Dilla Civilian massacre that was cited by multiple sources within this page, that you have removed without cause. If you want to make a page about "Battles and wars", you are free to do that, without vandalizing this page. The infobox about the Dilla Massacre was sourced by the citable items within the page, but thank you for bringing that to my attention. I can provide sources for the infobox and remedy that. There is no cause to vandalize and uproot and entire page, when you can simply create a new one about a new topic ( An alleged battle). This page is strictly about the Dilla Massacre, the events leading up to it, and it's aftermath. You have deleted multiple sources referencing the civilian massacre. Such as this one https://www.refworld.org/docid/3ae6ad8e24.html "In February 1991, "ethnic cleansing" by the SNM took place in the Boroma region" mentioned an ethnic cleansing against the Gadabursi in the Awdal area, you have also deleted any and all references to a civilian massacre in the Dilla area. Blatant censorship. Aqooni (talk) 21:15, 1 June 2019 (UTC)Reply
To continue on with my above point. The Dilla Massacre was an event that occurred on February 4th 1991,but the events leading up to it is crucial to the growth of the page, and provides context. This source 1, Which is from a book called "Voice and Power" written by R. J. Hayward and ‎I. M. Lewis, that Koodbuur removed in a vandal like edit, stated "The major town of the Rer Mohamoud Nur, Dila, was thoroughly destroyed by the SNM and still lies in ruins, their rural and urban property has been almost entirely plundered by the SNM apparently to avenge the past fierce resistance put up by the Rer Nur in general." That user, has since been blocked for those edits, as seen here 2) Supporting the point that the destruction of the town of Dilla was clan based. Another source indicating the existence of the Dilla Massacre here, was also removed. This source 3, which provided background to the event, was removed, it stated "The civil war raging on in the north is between the SNM Isaks against the Gadabursi in the northwest regions". That source is from 1989. This news article 4 states the existence of a massacre and destruction of the town of Dilla, in the entirety of the article. Multiple news articles mention it as well, 5, The evidence is overwhelming. If you want to make a page about battles and the like, there is nothing preventing you from doing that. But you shouldn't have to vandalize this page, simply create a new draft and start your own article on whatever you wish. Aqooni (talk) 07:08, 2 June 2019 (UTC)Reply


The Dilla Massacre page has used over 30 different published academic sources. The sources are listed here: See: [1], [2], [3], [4], [5], [6], [7], [8], [9], [10], [11], [12], [13], [14], [15], [16], [17], [18], [19], [20], [21], [22], [23], [24], [25], [26], [27], [28], [29], [30], [31], [32], [33], [34]. Therefore this page is absolutely legitimate and doesn't warrant deletion in anyway whatsoever. This should be discussed in the talk pages instead of nominating for deletion. There are many sources that state this massacre took place. I have given over 30 and there are many more aswell. MustafaO (talk) 13:22, 15 October 2019 (UTC) the massacre did take place thier were also other massacres committed by the SNM militia such as the massacres of Ogaden refugees in the late 1980s, all these massacres should be highlighted regardless of political views held --Gashaamo (talk) 07:30, 26 December 2019 (UTC)Reply


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  2. ^ Refugees, United Nations High Commissioner for. "Refworld | Somalia: Information 1) on the current situation of the Gadabursi in Somalia and in Somaliland, on the actions taken against them by other clans and on their current relationship with the Hawiye and the Issaq,". Refworld. Retrieved 2019-05-21. In February 1991, "ethnic cleansing" by the SNM took place in the Boroma region, the main Gadabursi town {{cite web}}: Cite has empty unknown parameter: |dead-url= (help)
  3. ^ Appiah, Anthony; Gates, Henry Louis (2005). Africana: The Encyclopedia of the African and African American Experience. Oxford University Press. ISBN 9780195223293.
  4. ^ Toggia, Pietro; Lauderdale, Pat (2017-03-02). Crisis and Terror in the Horn of Africa: Autopsy of Democracy, Human Rights and Freedom. Routledge. ISBN 9781351947442.
  5. ^ New African, Issues 280-291. the University of Virginia: IC Magazines Limited. 1991. p. 31.
  6. ^ Stanton, Martin (2009-03-12). Somalia on $5 a Day: A Soldier's Story. Random House Publishing Group. ISBN 9780307546999. A low-level guerrilla war continued on the border with Ethiopia between the Ethiopian-backed Somali National Movement
  7. ^ Bridges, Peter (2000). Safirka: An American Envoy. Kent State University Press. ISBN 9780873386586. Siad Barre had antagonized the largest group of clans in the north, the Isaqs, and many of their men had gone over the border to join the largely Isaq Somali National Movement, or SNM. The Ethiopians, and the Libyans as well, were giving the SNM their support.
  8. ^ Africa Confidential. Indiana University: Miramoor Publications Limited. 1987. p. 10. It was this SNM offensive which led to the February clash when an Ethiopian battalion, backing up the SNM, crossed the border and assaulted Somali troops.
  9. ^ Colaresi, Michael P. (2005). Scare Tactics: The Politics of International Rivalry. Syracuse University Press. p. 79. ISBN 9780815630661.
  10. ^ Collective Punishment. Human Rights Watch. p. 19. Another key development in the region in the early 1980s was the formation of the Somali National Movement (SNM), which drew support from the Isaaq clan in northern Somalia. The SNM obtained support from Mengistu's government to fight Siad Barre and the WSLF
  11. ^ Reno, William (2011-06-13). Warfare in Independent Africa. Cambridge University Press. p. 154. ISBN 9781139498654.
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  14. ^ Ingiriis, Mohamed Haji (2016-04-01). The Suicidal State in Somalia: The Rise and Fall of the Siad Barre Regime, 1969–1991. UPA. p. 201. ISBN 9780761867203. The Mengistu Support of the SNM was not something ambiguous. Even when they went to full combat, the Ethiopians supported them with artillery and anti tank weapons. This information is corroborated by foreign witnesses.
  15. ^ Ingiriis, Mohamed Haji (2016-04-01). The Suicidal State in Somalia: The Rise and Fall of the Siad Barre Regime, 1969–1991. UPA. p. 201. ISBN 9780761867203. However, the Mengistu regime retained supporting the other Somali armed opposition groups well as late as November 1990.
  16. ^ Kumnova, Valon (1 September 2016). HALO Humanitarian Mine Action and Cluster Ammunition activities 2016-2020 Annual Report Somaliland/Somalia. United Kingdom: The Netherlands Ministry of Foreign Affairs.
  17. ^ Service, British Broadcasting Corporation Monitoring (1987). Summary of World Broadcasts: Non-Arab Africa. Eight soldiers were killed in two trucks belonging to the regime's army which were blown up by SNM at Borama.
  18. ^ Bakonyi, Jutta (September 2011). Land ohne Staat: Wirtschaft und Gesellschaft im Krieg am Beispiel Somalias (in German). Campus Verlag. ISBN 9783593395289.
  19. ^ Legum, Colin (1992). Africa Contemporary Record: Annual Survey and Documents. Africa Research Limited.
  20. ^ Africa Events. Dar es Salaam Limited. 1989.
  21. ^ "The Killings of Borama and Dilla of 1991".
  22. ^ Somaliland: Democratisation and Its Discontents. International Crisis Group. 2003.
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  24. ^ "The second bigest crime and Genocide happen recently in Somaliland". Awdalpress.com. 2011-12-14. Retrieved 2019-05-21.
  25. ^ "Somali Diaspora Mark 27th Anniversary Of Borama And Awdal Citizens Massacre In Northern Somaliland". Mareeg.com. 2019-02-05. Retrieved 2019-05-22. {{cite web}}: Cite has empty unknown parameter: |dead-url= (help)
  26. ^ Keating, Michael; Waldman, Matt (2019-01-01). War and Peace in Somalia: National Grievances, Local Conflict and Al-Shabaab. Oxford University Press. ISBN 9780190058012.
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  29. ^ Africa Contemporary Record: Annual Survey and Documents. Africana Publishing Company. 1998. pp. Page B-376. ISBN 9780841905610. In the northwest, the SNM assaulted and pillaged Borama, causing about 80,000 people to flee to Ethiopia.
  30. ^ Hayward, R. J.; Lewis, I. M. (2005-08-17). Voice and Power. Routledge. ISBN 9781135751753.
  31. ^ Renders, Marleen (2012-01-20). Consider Somaliland: State-Building with Traditional Leaders and Institutions. BRILL. ISBN 9789004218482. Under the SNM flag, they attacked non-Isaaq in order to settle local scores about issues such as access to water etc.
  32. ^ Africa Events. Dar es Salaam Limited. 1989. p. 47. The civil war raging on in the north is between the SNM Isaks against the Gadabursi in the northwest regions.
  33. ^ Galipo, Adele (2018-11-09). Return Migration and Nation Building in Africa: Reframing the Somali Diaspora. Routledge. ISBN 9780429957130.
  34. ^ Kapteijns, Lidwien (2012-12-18). Clan Cleansing in Somalia: The Ruinous Legacy of 1991. University of Pennsylvania Press. ISBN 9780812207583.
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