Talk:Don't Stop 'Til You Get Enough

Requested move back to lowercase til

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The result of the proposal was moved. --BDD (talk) 23:17, 17 June 2013 (UTC)

Don't Stop 'Til You Get Enough → Don't Stop 'til You Get Enough – The move that previously capitalized 'Til was ill-motivated, saying "The form with the capital seems to be more usual, & appears on publicity material." The former does not appear to be true, and neither is relevant, per MOS:CAPS, MOS:TM, and especially MOS:CT. Dicklyon (talk) 21:09, 6 June 2013 (UTC)

• Mild support; looks weird capitalized. Red Slash 23:17, 6 June 2013 (UTC)
• Support, although nom has wrong reasons to move. MOSTM doesn't apply and even though "until"/"til" is a preposition and CT applies, WP:COMMONAME may be a stronger argument like in Star Trek Into Darkness. Tbhotch.^™ Grammatically incorrect? Correct it! See terms and conditions. 04:58, 7 June 2013 (UTC)

  COMMONNAME cannot override our manual of style, not least because they address different topics. COMMONNAME is how we decide what the title should be, and our MOS tells us how we render that title. COMMONNAME has nothing to say on matters of style. Powers ^T 18:56, 8 June 2013 (UTC)

  Then if "into" is a four letters preposition, why Star Trek Into Darkness is not "Star Trek into Darkness"? Simple common name. Community consensus can override *any* guideline as they are not universally accepted: "It is a generally accepted standard that editors should attempt to follow, though it is best treated with common sense, and occasional exceptions may apply.", and it is what people cannot understand these days, being part of a MoS does not mean it is universally accepted and therefore universally applied. Tbhotch.^™ Grammatically incorrect? Correct it! See terms and conditions. 07:32, 14 June 2013 (UTC)

• Support per MOS:CT. Powers ^T 18:56, 8 June 2013 (UTC)
• Oppose - there's nothing in MOS:CT that speaks to words with an omitted letter replaced by an apostrophe. It does state that "every word is given an initial capital except for certain less important words" and _'til is not listed as an exception, in fact, until is listed as a preposition that should be capitalized.. Furthermore, the song is listed as "Don't Stop 'Til You Get Enough" on sleeves for the Off the Wall album and the single itself, plus it's listed as such on most (if not all) articles on the album, including the wiki page on the album.[1] So, bottom line, without any direction from MOS:CT telling us to not capitalize the word, I see no reason to break from the standard of capitalizing each word in a title. Robman94 (talk) 19:59, 10 June 2013 (UTC)

  It is a preposition with fewer than five letters, and thus falls under the rule that says not to capitalize such prepositions. It doesn't have to be explicitly called out on the guideline page. Powers ^T 23:44, 12 June 2013 (UTC)

• Support "'til" is a proposition that has been abbreviated. It should 'ave been uncapitalised if it were spelt out in full, let alone now. -- Ohc ^¡digame!_{¿que pasa?} 06:56, 13 June 2013 (UTC)

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