Talk:Door handle

The content of this article has been relocated from the Talk:Doorknob article (see comments in the discussion page there). Dhollm (talk) 22:17, 23 January 2009 (UTC)

Doorknobs were not invented in 1878

See this: http://www.legacyvintage.com/articles/doorhardware.html and how do you explain this 1876 catalog? http://www.webwilson.com/gallery/displayimage.php?album=14&pid=532#top_display_media -- a case where someone is conflating "patenting" with "inventing" — Preceding unsigned comment added by 98.90.85.77 (talk) 03:32, 1 February 2013 (UTC) Door Handles all do not have actual "handles" From actual experience - My door handle does not have an actual handle. Yes, you might call me "filthy rich," but my house has a special system were it scans your thumb and them it scans your other thumb, and then it scans your eye. I like it, but it makes it impossible for the cleaning lady to get in, and my husband! (But sometimes I don't mind.)

Here's a link to Osbourn Dorsey's patent. He has clearly invented a device for holding doors open, a sort of bar that attaches to a doorknob's spindle. He doesn't make any claim to have invented the doorknob itself. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Agrumer (talk • contribs) 18:09, 24 July 2020 (UTC)

I've added a sub-section expressly debunking the Doursey invention. It is so prevalent and long-standing on the internet that I think it needs an express statement in Wikipedia. I intend in due course to add an Osbourn Dorsey page as well.Universal Kakistocrat (talk) 03:32, 18 August 2020 (UTC)

References

Door knob vs Door handle distinction

OK, so outside the U.S. anything that opens a door is called a door handle. How do you distinguish between door knobs (or "handles", if you will) with a moving mechanism, and just plain old door handles that have no securing latch? (i.e. they only function to pull the door open) Surely even before the "first documented invention of the doorknob"..."in U.S. Patent entries for the year 1878" there were plain old door handles; unless people just pushed all doors open. --70.143.52.60 (talk) 04:47, 19 August 2009 (UTC)

Oligodynamic Effect

The subject on the Oligodynamic effect says that aluminum does not have the effect. However, by clicking the link (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Oligodynamic_effect), the page says that aluminum DOES have the effect. Can anybody show the source for this or edit it? Me, GKT5 02:43, 21 January 2010 (UTC)

Vandalism

There still appears to be some vandalism in the article, but I don't know enough to fix it. It refers to something being shaped like a tractor and something sliding onto a marry-go-round. Can someone with knowledge of the subject repair this?

Factual Accuracy

This article makes reference to several terms, many of which I believe to be out of date. Americans no longer reserve the term door handle for cars and use knob everywhere else, but now define it as follows: A door knob is a door opening device which is operated by a round-shaped handle, which is rotated. A door handle is a door opening device which is operated by a lever, which is rotated, or operated by a fixed handle. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Quinxorin (talk • contribs) 22:40, 17 May 2010 (UTC)

Un-merge door knob and door handle / Exact meaning of "handle"

I understand that the Door Knob and Door Handle articles have been merged. However, I would like to propose a separation of this current Door Handle article back to Door Knob and Door Handle. The major reasons:

• Door knobs are round, door handles are bar-shaped
• Door knobs are generally turned, door handles are pulled

Now, these two reasons might be a bit biased and slightly inaccurate (there are some door handles that can be turned). However, I feel that there should be a distinction between these two ways of opening a door. Brett9999 (talk) 23:08, 24 May 2010 (UTC)

• • Perhaps. However, this article already makes that distinction. Also, a door knob is a specific type of door handle; they are not two completely separate things. For this reason, the articles should remain merged. And no, your point was no biased - bias would be you saying "door handles are better than door knobs." —Preceding unsigned comment added by Quinxorin (talk • contribs) 01:38, 25 May 2010 (UTC)

I support unmerging the articles. --Craigboy (talk) 22:42, 12 June 2011 (UTC)

I'm in favor of leaving the articles merged; however the article should explain clearly what these words mean, what they don't mean and what exactly is the difference between these. What is clear to me so far is that a knob is definitely round. Now what is the meaning of "handle"? Does a handle include knobs? The article says yes, and Brett9999 says no and my dictionary agrees with Brett9999 that knobs aren't handles. As a foreign speaker, I am now a bit confused and I think it would be useful if some native speaker could clear up the confusion. -- Dynam1te3 (talk) 20:43, 20 February 2014 (UTC)

They're clearly different and distinguishable items. However which way gives us the more readable article? Despite their differences, knobs and handles have the same function and the same role in door furniture. The biggest difference is between US-style lock-in-knob knobsets and UK-style sashlock door knobs, with separate dead locks and sashlocks. Here in the UK, knobs and handles are easily interchanged on the same locksets. I'd thus keep the articles merged. Andy Dingley (talk) 20:59, 20 February 2014 (UTC)

The article consists of unsourced rubbish claims like these: "The first documented invention of the door handle appears in U.S. Patent entries for the year 1878". Not quite sure how we are going to differentiate articles based on such nonsense. The article seems to consist mainly of conjecture, fiction, and a light sprinkling of facts, all of them unsourced. Good luck seperating the wheat from the chaff on that one. --Saddhiyama (talk) 01:01, 22 February 2014 (UTC)

Burn most of it and start again. They're only doorhandles, it's not that complicated. Andy Dingley (talk) 01:11, 22 February 2014 (UTC)

In that case it would seem much more sensible to stubbify. Remove all unsourced crud and leave it at that. I don't see the potential for splitting it, it simply lacks sourced material. --Saddhiyama (talk) 01:14, 22 February 2014 (UTC)

History

I notice that there is nothing here about the history of the door handle. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 80.114.147.138 (talk) 17:15, 19 March 2016 (UTC)

Yes. Added. Universal Kakistocrat (talk) 03:34, 18 August 2020 (UTC)

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Plan for major rewrite

Once I have finished the History section on this page, I am intending a major rewrite of the whole article which currently seems ill-conceived.

This will start with the premise that a door handle is a handle for a door. Most of the material to do with locks and latches should, IMHO, be on the pages for locks and latches. I plan to include some material on lock/latch mechanisms to help make sense of the handles. But pretty obviously you can have a door handle that has no locking or latching function or mechanism associated with it. Handles on swing doors are an example.

I side with the view that a knob is a subcategory of handle. This is the case for drawer handles, walking stick handles, machine tool handles and every other form of handle/knob I encounter. I'll be rewriting based on this view.

It will be at least a month before I get to this and I'll welcome useful input — Preceding unsigned comment added by Universal Kakistocrat (talk • contribs) 15:40, 17 August 2020 (UTC)

Mislabeled picture

In the lower photo, types section, there are two arrowed Escutcheon plates, in the text, "The plate on the front edge of the lock where the latch bolt protrudes is called the faceplate."Sciencefish (talk) 09:34, 20 October 2020 (UTC)