Talk:2017 Dutch general election

Threshold

"an electoral threshold of 0.67%" equals 1/150, so is this just a de facto threshold of 1/150, or is it formalized?--Batmacumba (talk) 20:09, 23 February 2016 (UTC)

As far as I know it is a de facto threshold. But you need a full seat to qualify as rounding does not help very small parties since the Netherlands uses the D'Hondt method for assigning remaining seats after all full seats have been assigned. It is unclear to me though why it is mentioned at all. I have removed the phrase Arnoutf (talk) 20:29, 23 February 2016 (UTC)

The Netherlands uses the Highest averages method which is slightly different from the D'Hondt method which is used in Belgium. In other words, in the Netherlands the number of votes for each party is divided by the number of full seats that party has already won plus 1. The party that in this way gets the highest number of votes per seat (highest average) receives the residual seat. And so on for the next rounds of allocating residual seats. Cf. art. P7 Electoral law. The D'Hondt-method allocates by largest remainder. This method is used in other Dutch elections Cf. art. P8 Electoral law.--Ereunetes (talk) 03:45, 16 March 2017 (UTC)

Wow, so much misunderstandings. First, the D'Hondt method is a highest averages method, and what you are describing is exactly the D'Hondt method. Second, the Netherlands does have a legal threshold of 1/150. A party which does not get at least 1/150 of the vote (=0.67%) will not get any seats, including residual seats. Cf. art. P7(2) Electoral law. Rami R 09:34, 16 March 2017 (UTC)

You know best of course :-) But people might like to consult the sources I quoted, and judge for themselves.--Ereunetes (talk) 17:16, 16 March 2017 (UTC)

It appears we have a disagreement as to the definition of "legal threshold". Let me clarify: The law states "If the election is to the House of Representatives, lists with a total vote lower than the electoral quota shall not be eligible for seats awarded in this way" (section P7(2)), quota here being the number of votes divided by the number of seats to be assigned (section P5). This is a legal threshold - a threshold that is defined in law. 1/150 = 0.67%, and stating as such despite not explicitly written in the law is permissible per WP:CALC. However, to prevent further conflict, I have found an additional source that explicitly states both "0.67%" and "legal threshold" and have added it to the article. Rami R 08:29, 18 March 2017 (UTC)

Fair enough to add something like it. But in that case I would prefer to rephrase as something like "with a legal threshold of 1 full seat (0.67%)," as that is the number mentioned in the law, and it tells the story that Dutch threshold is extremely low (ie a single seat, so there is not threshold in number of seats). The derived number 0.67% is moreabstract even for readers who know Dutch parliament has 150 seats they have to think to realise this is one seat, and for those who are known the larger houses this may give the impression there is indeed a threshold to the minimum number of seats a party has to have. For example 0.67% of the house of representatives in the US would be 3 seats, and in the EU parliament it would be 5. Arnoutf (talk) 10:12, 18 March 2017 (UTC)

Fair enough. Rami R 16:50, 18 March 2017 (UTC)

Overseas voters

Hey! Does anybody know how the votes of proxy voters are counted? I'm Dutch, but born abroad and never lived in the Netherlands either. I had to register with Den Haag gemeente and am waiting for my letter to vote. Does anybody know if these "oversea" votes are somehow statistically registered? Gyxmz (talk) 19:27, 27 February 2017 (UTC)

Hi! Note that Wikipedia:Wikipedia is not a forum--77.250.71.233 (talk) 21:45, 15 March 2017 (UTC)

They were registered separately by The Hague. A record of 59,857 voted and the most popular party was D66 with 14,138 votes. See http://nos.nl/artikel/2163615-d66-grootste-partij-bij-stemmers-vanuit-buitenland.html --MWAK (talk) 04:41, 30 April 2017 (UTC)

Good day what is the 'coulor' of this new cabinet ? E.g. Purple Badenvalleykleinkaroo (talk) 17:12, 20 January 2018 (UTC)

Color and wikilinking for FvD and Denk in infobox

Hi!

I noticed that Denk and FvD did not link properly in the infobox so I made a quick fix to link them manually. However I notice that the other parties have some advanced Wikicommands to them that automatically abbreviates and links to the correct page. It also retrieves the correct color without specifying in the infobox.

So my question is how this works and if anyone can fix this. --Immunmotbluescreen (talk) 09:23, 16 March 2017 (UTC)

@Immunmotbluescreen: It's some metadata templates (see e.g. {{People's Party for Freedom and Democracy/meta/shortname}}, {{People's Party for Freedom and Democracy/meta/color}}); you have to create them using the name that is entered in the infobox. However, you can manually add the colour to the infobox using the function |colour12 = #32cd32. Cheers, Number 57 09:33, 16 March 2017 (UTC)

Thank you for the information. The problem was with the naming of the templates for these two parties. I think the original article had been moved without moving the templates. I renamed FvD and move the templates so it is working for now. Let's see if they will remain like this or if someone else will revert this.--Immunmotbluescreen (talk) 12:40, 16 March 2017 (UTC)

Language used for party names

Do we use the original language to refer to parties, or the English translation? It seems like the precedent is to translate them, and that would make more sense as it's more accessible to the reader? (They can always visit the party's own page if they need to see the original name..) Jdcooper (talk) 07:51, 17 March 2017 (UTC)

We should use whatever name the party's article is at, because that will presumably have been decided in accordance with policy. For example, GroenLinks is at that title as a result of an RM so is the title we should be using here too. Number 57 10:26, 17 March 2017 (UTC)

Ok that makes sense, thanks. Jdcooper (talk) 11:10, 17 March 2017 (UTC)

Date of next election

What's the latest possible date for the next election? It seems that they'll be in May 2022 at latest, because municipal elections (last in 2014) run on a 4-year cycle, and elections to the second house are held in May in years where there are also municipal elections. Mélencron (talk) 22:10, 26 March 2017 (UTC)

If I'm reading the election law correctly, you are correct about pushing the election to May on a local election year, but I'm not convinced that the election will take place on 2022 and not 2021. According to the law, the elections take place 4 years after the last elections, or the first March after 4 years in case of an early dissolution. It appears that these elections were held on time, so that would suggest an election date of March 2021. However, the question of early elections is one of pure technicalities; I really don't know how these elections were defined. Rami R 06:21, 27 March 2017 (UTC)

As far as I know the second chamber (lower house) is the only governmental body that is dissolved early. Being the most important government body, as far as I know it uses its own cycle - either as close after dissolution as possible or after 4 yrs. The previous parliament had a somewhat longer tenure as March 2017 was the first March after the early Sep 2012 elections Arnoutf (talk) 17:03, 27 March 2017 (UTC)

Page Name

shouldn't this page and the other election pages be called Netherlands general election as that is the country name עם ישראל חי (talk) 21:55, 30 August 2018 (UTC)

No. The naming convention (WP:NC-GAL) is to use the demonym. Hence why we have Israeli legislative election, 2015 not Israel legislative election, 2015. I appreciate there are some examples of this not being followed, but they are due to issues with their respective demonyns (albeit highly dubious ones IMO). I cannot see how "Dutch" could be deemed to be problematic. Number 57 22:42, 30 August 2018 (UTC)