Talk:Dylan ail Don

Change of article name?

Could it be possible to change the article's main name to "Dylan Ail Dôn" with the to bach above the a? —Preceding unsigned comment added by 91.108.132.244 (talk) 03:14, 11 March 2009 (UTC)

Etymology

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You added "sea in Welsh" to this article. Sea doesn't sound like a Welsh word. Maybe you meant Dylan Eil Ton is sea in English but that clearly isn't true either. I'm confused. Joe Llywelyn Griffith Blakesley _{talk contrib} 18:27, 24 July 2006 (UTC)

Sorry, but that was a long time ago. The information probably came from the Encyclopedia Mythica, but I can't really be more specific. Delete it if you think it's inaccurate. Tuf-Kat 01:22, 25 July 2006 (UTC)

Thanks for your response. The encyclopedia you linked to says that Dylan means sea but the other sources I've found don't mention this or say it is a misapprehension. The only word for sea in Welsh dictionaries I can find is the common modern word, môr; gweilgi, and aig. I suspect someone just thought it meant sea because it is part of the name of the sea god, so I'm going to remove it.

Joe Llywelyn Griffith Blakesley _{talk contrib} 18:31, 6 August 2006 (UTC)

Actually, it says on Dylan that it comes from dy (great) and llanw (sea but dictionaries, even two early Welsh ones, suggest it means tide), and this is supported by other sources, and makes sense, so I'll change it to great tide.

Joe Llywelyn Griffith Blakesley _{talk contrib} 18:44, 6 August 2006 (UTC)

I am a native Welsh speaker, and I don't need a dictionary. Llanw means "rising/high tide", and I have changed the etymology accordingly. I have also corrected the name of Taliesin's eulogy for Dylan, and the name "Dylan Eil Don" itself, as "Eil Ton" does not conform with the Modern Welsh spelling of this name (as found in the Modern Welsh version of Y Mabinogion, updated by Rhiannon and Dafydd Ifans and published by Gwasg Gomer in 1980). The title therefore is antiquated and orphographically incorrect, and should be changed to "Dylan Eil Don" PS because of the grammatical law of mutation in Welsh, DY + LLANW becomes DY LANW

Ive changed the explanation of Dylan's name to:

("great tide", from the prefix dy-, "great", and llanw, "tide")

Ive done this because dy lanw written as two words means "Thy (your) tide" Sanddef 21:57, 8 February 2007 (UTC)Sanddef

I suggest returning the meaning to "great tide" or similar. There is a reference in the article to "dy" meaning "thy" rather than "great," but indeed the University of Wales Dictionary does have an entry for "dy-" (#1 of that spelling) meaning 'great,' 'frequent,' or similar, and "dylanw" is said to be derived from "dy-(1)" + "llanw." Please have a look at the dictionary's website to corroborate. --user in Silver Spring, Md., U.S.A., 2 December 2014 — Preceding unsigned comment added by 216.59.120.106 (talk) 18:24, 2 December 2014 (UTC)

In the page it says this is presumably "referring to him as being the second born (ail don meaning "second wave") of Arianrhod." I haven't found any scholars say this, as the consensus seems to be that the name is referring to the literal ocean, not to him being the second son. Is there a source for this claim on the page? Eatgreass (talk) 17:48, 20 June 2023 (UTC)

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