Talk:E. Pauline Johnson/Archive 1

Archive 1

W. J. Keith quote

I've restored the W. J. Keith quote that was deleted. It seems to help illustrate the differences of opinion mentioned in the "Criticism and Influence" section, and its source is cited, so I don't see how it could be considered not valid. Andrew Sly 22:14, 27 February 2006 (UTC)

Siwash Rock

Siwash Rock is the subject of one of the best of Johnson's Legends of Vancouver collection of stories; the tale is about virtue, and about resolve on its behalf in the face of certain death and the implacable will of the divine. It never occurred to me before reading this article why it was that her monument was near it...or is it? I have it in my head that it's over by Brockton Point, which is on the opposite side of the park...just checked the Wiki page but it and other monuments in the park are not listed, and they're not listed on the Parks Board website page either; nor is there a map, or much in the way of history at that site....hmmmmm....I'll be back.Skookum1 07:37, 28 July 2006 (UTC)

Apparently it's at Ferguson Point somewhere, by the restaurant. She reqested to be buried within sight of the rock. Curiously, she also requested that no monument be erected in her honour.Bobanny 09:57, 10 December 2006 (UTC)

Citation style

this article is currently undergoing reviews. The original writer used the author/date style, which I formatted according to Wikipedia conventions for Harvard referencing, and it conforms to the WP:MOS as it is. However, everyone, including me, seems to prefer the usual Chicago style, the one with footnotes at the bottom in a "references" section. Seems the smart thing might be to just change it, though it's a faux pas to do that to an existing style without a consensus on the talk page first. Any thoughts? Bobanny 00:37, 22 December 2006 (UTC)

Thinking again, Harvard style is also acceptable per WP:MOS. Personally, I do not adore it, but it is acceptable!--Yannismarou 15:48, 7 January 2007 (UTC)

In 2008, Wikipedia is encouraging all editors to use in-text citations (with footnotes following the text), and requires them for articles to be considered for Good or Featured status.--Parkwells (talk) 14:25, 1 July 2008 (UTC)

GA Nomination

• Passes good article status (WP:GA?). Article tag changed, good article list updated (WP:GOOD). Well written, well referenced. →James Kidd (contr/talk/email) 21:37, 11 January 2007 (UTC)
  • There's only one footnote. CanadianCaesar Et tu, Brute? 22:19, 11 January 2007 (UTC)

You're correct, however there are several references, see: the references. What are you getting at? →James Kidd (contr/talk/email) 22:41, 11 January 2007 (UTC)

Yup, I think changing the refs to footnotes is definately the way to go, not to make it more correct, but because that's what most people apparently prefer on Wikipedia (including me - see above comments). Thanks for the review, James. I still plan on addressing some content issues that were raised in a biography project peer review, and will eventually try for an fac, when I get a chance to go to the library and some extra time. Bobanny 06:03, 12 January 2007 (UTC)

Good luck! Looks like you're on the right track →James Kidd (contr/talk/email) 06:19, 12 January 2007 (UTC)

Tone

I've tried to tone down some of the theoretical literary criticism style, because this is an encyclopedia article. Also moved Family History to bottom of article, as it should focus on Johnson, rather than the chiefs in her father's family, or her maternal grandfather's alleged cruelty to children. That is not typical of most biographical articles.--Parkwells (talk) 14:28, 1 July 2008 (UTC)

Commerative stamp image removed -repost in 2011

Due to an error on my part, the commemorative stamp image from Canada Post was added to the article without the correct permissions. Today, Canada Post clarified that they can't agree to the Creative Commons GNU Free Documentation License (does this apply to artwork?), since they don't permit commercial use of their stamp images. The copyright term will expire in 2011, at which time the public domain artwork can be reposted to the article.

For reference, the image file was: [File:Pauline Johnson Canada Canadian commerative stamp issued 1961-03-10 celebrating centennary of her birth original file name s000442k.jpg]

The full file link read: [Image:Pauline Johnson Canada Canadian commemorative stamp issued 1961-03-10 celebrating centennary of her birth original file name s000442k.jpg|thumb|right|205px|1961 Canadian postage stamp commemorating Emily Pauline Johnson centennial]

Comments? --HarryZilber (talk) 04:50, 8 July 2009 (UTC)

GA Reassessment

This discussion is transcluded from Talk:Pauline Johnson/GA1. The edit link for this section can be used to add comments to the reassessment.

Starting GA reassessment as part of the GA Sweeps process. Jezhotwells (talk) 10:33, 3 August 2009 (UTC)

Checking against GA criteria

In order to uphold the quality of Wikipedia:Good articles, all articles listed as Good articles are being reviewed against the GA criteria as part of the GA project quality task force. While all the hard work that has gone into this article is appreciated, unfortunately, as of August 10, 2009, this article fails to satisfy the criteria, as detailed below. For that reason, the article has been delisted from WP:GA. However, if improvements are made bringing the article up to standards, the article may be nominated at WP:GAN. If you feel this decision has been made in error, you may seek remediation at WP:GAR.

1. It is reasonably well written.

   a (prose):

   • Poorly written, clumsy phrasing throughout. Needs a thorough copy-edit. Consider enlisting the help of a member of WP:WikiProject Guild of Copy Editors. Jezhotwells (talk) 10:51, 3 August 2009 (UTC)

   b (MoS):

   • The Lead should summarize the entire article and it nowhere near approaches this. Jezhotwells (talk) 10:51, 3 August 2009 (UTC)

2. It is factually accurate and verifiable.

   a (references):

   • We have a mix of citation styles, inline havard style and footnotes. I recommend converting all to footnotes for clarity, using citation templates as appropriate. Jezhotwells (talk) 10:51, 3 August 2009 (UTC)

   b (citations to reliable sources):

   • Sources appear to be sufficiently reliable. Jezhotwells (talk) 10:51, 3 August 2009 (UTC)

   c (OR):

3. It is broad in its scope.

   a (major aspects):

   b (focused):

   • Long section on family history seems excessive. Consider shortening and merging into her own history. Jezhotwells (talk) 10:51, 3 August 2009 (UTC)

4. It follows the neutral point of view policy.

   Fair representation without bias:

   • Slight tendency to weasel words at points, should be sorted by thorough copy-edit. Jezhotwells (talk) 10:51, 3 August 2009 (UTC)

5. It is stable.

   No edit wars etc.:

6. It is illustrated by images, where possible and appropriate.

   a (images are tagged and non-free images have fair use rationales):

   b (appropriate use with suitable captions):

7. Overall:

   Pass/Fail:

   • On hold for seven days for above issues to be addressed. Major contributors and projects will be informed. Jezhotwells (talk) 10:51, 3 August 2009 (UTC)
   • OK as no-one has made any efort to address these issues, I am delisting the article. If you disagree with this decision an appeal can be made at WP:GAR. Otherwise if the artcile is improved it may be re-nominated at WP:GAN. Jezhotwells (talk) 09:10, 10 August 2009 (UTC)

At Sunset

Johnson's poem, At Sunset has been put to music by composer Jeff Enns and recorded by the Canadian Chamber Choir. I'm not sure if this development belongs in this article. Does is warrant a new section? Are there other poems of hers that have been put to music? Perhaps if there was an article about her poems, it would fit there?

Here is a link to the recording put to music- http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_3XLaWyQwqs

Here is a link to the CD that has the song on it- http://www.canadianchamberchoir.ca/buy.html

Please advise. Clerks. (talk) 15:01, 11 February 2011 (UTC)

I've added this information to honours, as it seems the home of best fit, though not perfect. Clerks. (talk) 02:33, 15 February 2011 (UTC)

Section on stamp

I deleted the separate section on the stamp and press release, as this is not standard in biographies and does not seem to add much new information.Parkwells (talk) 15:10, 20 May 2011 (UTC)

Family history

The lengthy family history is inappropriate, as noted above in the Good Article review. She seemed to have been influenced by her parents and Mohawk grandfather, but the rest seems to be reaching for implied importance. Should be focused on what is important to her life.Parkwells (talk) 15:10, 20 May 2011 (UTC)

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Requested move 24 November 2016

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Completely agree with this move. E. Pauline Johnson singed all her work as E. Pauline Johnson. This is common knowledge. Trentprof — Preceding unsigned comment added by Trentprof (talk • contribs) 04:43, 24 November 2016 (UTC)

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Pauline Johnson → E. Pauline Johnson – the author always signed her literary works using her full name, E. Pauline Johnson. https://tce-live2.s3.amazonaws.com/media/media/7447878e-9362-486e-8916-5bbf79e9e0c7.jpg. Most importantly, the E. Pauline Johnson Fonds at McMaster University Library - where all of Johnson's papers, letters, and archival documents are stored - list their collection as "E. Pauline Johnson fonds". http://archives.mcmaster.ca/index.php/e-pauline-johnson-fonds. Please consider changing the title of this page to the correct name. Felix felicis (talk) 04:24, 24 November 2016 (UTC)

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Better image

The Candian Archives have uploaded a higher res image in 2011. The existing info box image is low res from 2009. Click the link to the Mikan # to find it. http://data2.archives.ca/e/e435/e010857301-v8.jpg --96.55.104.236 (talk) 01:17, 7 May 2018 (UTC)

Proposed merge

E. Pauline Johnson (Tekahionwake) is a needless duplicate of this article, apparently created for a class project. We do not let class projects take precedence over the maintenance of quality articles. Any appropriate content from E. Pauline Johnson (Tekahionwake) should be incorporated here, with any and all subjective tone and essay-like content purged. --Animalparty! (talk) 19:35, 12 December 2019 (UTC)

Support merge: Of course these should be merged. E. Pauline Johnson (Tekahionwake) should not have been created. The existing article should have been edited. SchreiberBike | ⌨  23:00, 13 December 2019 (UTC)

"'Support Merge'": I agree, these articles should and will be merged, the new article was created accidentally with the initial intention of editing the original article. The new article may make cases as to why Johnson is an important literary figure in Canada and how she has affected Canadian history but that does not equate to the new article's redundancy or supposed essay-like qualities. The new article is organized in a much more coherent manner, it includes sections that justify her importance and also contextualize her life i.e. the Criticism and Legacy section was removed and replaced with Reception with subsections Past and Present. The Legacy and honors section was replaced with the Legacy section that shows her legacy as a New Woman, her place in Canadian Literature as an institution, her criticisms of the Canadian Government, and her Posthumous honors. The original article was used and built upon in order to enrich what information is available so the new merge will not result in any former information in the original article being lost. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Chutcheon (talk • contribs) 10:21, 17 December 2019 (UTC)

Hi all. Just a drive-by comment from someone monitoring Special:RecentChanges. User:Chutcheon has just blanked E. Pauline Johnson (Tekahionwake) with no explanation. I have reverted that edit as I assume that a WP:REDIRECT might have been expected. In future, please will editors please refer to talk page discussions in their edit summaries to avoid confusion or unfounded accusations of vandalism. If the page needs to be deleted, this is done in other ways, and not simply by blanking content. Cheers, Nick Moyes (talk) 22:37, 17 December 2019 (UTC)

I expect that it was supposed to be blanked and then later deleted or redirected, as the additional material from E. Pauline Johnson (Tekahionwake) has been merged onto E. Pauline Johnson. Curiocurio (talk) 23:03, 17 December 2019 (UTC)

@Chutcheon: Thanks for your additions. I'm sure you're more familiar with Johnson than I am, and have put lots of effort into the derivative article, but the article currently still reads a bit too adulatory, in violation of WP:NPOV. Watch out for vague, subjective or promotional language, especially in "Wikipedia's voice". See WP:PUFFERY for more info. Expressions like "a key figure in...", "made an indelible mark", "her deft use", etc. convey opinions or vague assertions, not verifiable facts. Also watch out for terms like "despite", "furthermore", "notably" etc. which can impart an editorial tone. Non-neutral opinions from source material can be included if relevant but be attributed, and any positive or negative bias in sources should not bleed into the tone of the article at large. And excessive citation of other's perspectives, even if attributed, may constitute close paraphrasing, and infringe copyright. Cheers, --Animalparty! (talk) 23:58, 17 December 2019 (UTC)

• Support me==rge. Clear WP:CONTENTFORK. Narky Blert (talk) 05:42, 24 December 2019 (UTC)

Sourcing

Noting that some of the new sections have poor sourcing. Romantic life, one source; {Reception) Past, no sources; New Woman, one source. Curiocurio (talk) 16:29, 26 December 2019 (UTC)

Added no source and one source templates to relevant sections. Curiocurio (talk) 02:59, 18 February 2020 (UTC)