Talk:CASA (aircraft manufacturer)

EADS-CASA Eurofigther

1/ the 31st August of 1996 was the Maiden flight of the Spanish prototype of the Eurofighter 2000 built by CASA. (before CASA joined to EADS in 1999) You can read about this fact in English, in the following link: [1]

2/ EADS is a Consortium (please read this definition), and in this consortium, EADS-CASA takes part in the 13% of development and production for all Eurofighter aircraft. EADS-CASA build the Right wing and leading edge slats for all aicraft, and carry out the final assembly of the aircraft for Spanish Air Force. You can read about this fact in English, in the following link: [2]

3/ The Spanish jet-engine builder company ITP also takes part in the 13% of development and production of the Eurojet EJ200 engine for all Eurofighter aircraft. ITP lead EJ200's TVC Thrust Vectoring Control nozzle project. You can read about this fact in English, in the following links: [3] [4]

..somebody must be correct the CASA article appropriately.

• Somebody needs to get this into their head, if you have to discuss about this subject then please go to the article page of EUROFIGHTER TYPHOON and speak with the rest of editors involved, and please take note that CASA was never, ever in-charge of the design of this aircraft, at all! Hello... When will you wake up and smell the coffee? --Dave1185 (talk) 17:34, 24 September 2009 (UTC)
• I think yes ...please somebody help me to convince a this man? ...you was put it corretly in the article "ALL RIGH WINGS" for "ALL AIRCRAFT" that is the corresponding percentage in the projetc!!LET IT BE....please, I´m boring!! Bielasko (talk) 21:36, 24 September 2009 (UTC)

Company article format

Per Wikipedia:Companies, corporations and economic information#Article composition guidelines:

An article should be about a company and its predecessors, the names of which may have changed due to mergers, acquisitions, de-mergers, legal challenges, etc. For public companies in the United States, the authoritative reference for such changes is the U.S. Securities and Exchange Commission (SEC). The article should be primarily about the history of the surviving company, even though it may have assumed a predecessor's name (for example the article on Bank of America is primarily about Nations Bank with references and links to an article about the legacy BankAmerica). (Emphasis added.)

Claro? I hope so. - BilCat (talk) 21:54, 4 October 2009 (UTC)

Also, the information that was being added to the Lead about the old CASA is either already in the Lead, or further down in the articel. I would liek to see some time spent expanding the hisort section on CASA, going to a straight prose format with paragraphs, rather than the timeline format now used. - BilCat (talk) 22:28, 4 October 2009 (UTC)

CASA editors war

Dave1185 and BilCat from 20 September 2009 engaged in an edit war

according to the reverts they have made on EADS CASA‎. Note that the three-revert rule prohibits making more than three reversions on a single page within a 24 hour period. Additionally, users who perform several reversions in content disputes may be blocked for edit warring even if they do not technically violate the three-revert rule. When in dispute with another editor you should first try to discuss controversial changes to work towards wording and content that gains a consensus among editors. Should that prove unsuccessful, they are encouraged to seek dispute resolution, and in some cases it may be appropriate to request page protection. Please stop the disruption, otherwise you may be blocked from editing.

They are continously deleting the works of many people, everybody must be knows this.Bielasko (talk) 10:56, 5 October 2009 (UTC)

I'm not surprised that you have caused an edit war. I have seen this before, with Company project stuff overtaking Aviation projewct stuff that shouldn't be moved into a company format. Think before you edit (says he) EADS-CASA should be a section inEADS not free standing, and The CASA article should revert to CASA. Discuss!!!

Page protected

I have temporary protected the article from editing as it it subject to a number of edit wars and differences of opinions. Can I ask users to comment on their positions below so a consensus can be reached. Also note that only the content should be discussed and personal attacks on other editors will not be tolerated. Thanks for your co-operation. MilborneOne (talk) 11:58, 5 October 2009 (UTC)

• First off, I have stated very clearly that the EuroTyphoon should not be mentioned here as a product of CASA since EADS-CASA is only in-charge of producing all the right main wing of all production aircraft, while those slated for service with the Spanish Air Force are assembled with parts brought in from UK, Germany and Italy. Bieslako, however, disagrees and insisted on adding it into the article page despite of all the facts present here. Secondly, the heading is too short and is in need of expansion to better explain EADS-CASA as a whole, while CASA should be mentioned in a separate article or section added together with all the necessary references or citations to back it up. So far, all we've only seen are dubious edits by Bieslako with no proper cites or references. Lastly, I tagged this article with various maintenance templates as I felt that it is in need of some copyediting as well as some more references or citations to verify the facts of the article. Stated above are all the perceived problems with this article. Back to Bieslako, I had originally provided him with a welcome template for him to familiarize with the editing format, guidelines and policies within Wikipedia but he refuse to accept it and chose to do it blindly instead. No doubt he has good faith/heart in intention to improve this article but obviously without reading through that welcome template I had provided him, he had ran into a lot of walls with both Bill and me for almost all the problems mentioned above. I also mentioned that if Spanish Wikipedia is the language of choice that he is most comfortable with, he should stick to it instead of English Wikipedia, where we have to spend so much time trying to explain things to him and yet he can't even understand what we are doing here in the first place! Judging by his childish comments and edits, it is only logical to conclude that he think this is all fun and games with nothing to be concerned of. Correct me if I'm wrong! --Dave1185 (talk) 12:47, 5 October 2009 (UTC)

Edit Conflict

Other user added:

Construcciones Aeronáuticas, S.A. (CASA). In English means Aeronautical Constructions J.S.C., It was a Spanish aircraft manufacturer, with numerous successfuls military transport aircraft designs such as the CASA C-212 Aviocar, CASA C-295 or the CASA C-101Aviojet trainer and ground attack aircraft.

I simply reverted as there is no citation for this. While i agree with it and common sense tells me its true i still think it needs citation. Another thing is it appeared to be largly out of context (or at least to me it did). KiraChinmoku _{(T, ¤)} 13:56, 5 October 2009 (UTC)

The EADS Eurofigther

I think some people like Dave1185 or BilCat are living in the “Winnie the pooh World”, and they don’t know nothing about the Globalization. Many components of car, motorbike, and aircraft was built in other countries different of Great Britain or United States, for example Spain, Germany, France, China, Japan or Chorea.

Judging by his attitude, due to a dark reason, probably racism or simply ignorance ..I think they dislike the fact of EADS-CASA can manufacturing a modern fighter in Spain, and they are heated in delete or distort everything that can show this fact, for example, dates, verbs or pictures, and their attitude is demonstrable reading the history of the article.

The truth is that the Eurofighter is a European product, and CASA is contributing to the design and building of the aircraft, and carry out the complete assembling of the aircrafts in Getafe, Spain, for all units of the Spanish Air Force. You can ignore this fact but you are laying yourself.

I can demonstrate with this:

1/ the 31st August of 1996 was the Maiden flight of the Spanish prototype of the Eurofighter 2000 built by CASA. (before CASA joined to EADS in 1999) You can read about this fact in English, in the following link: [5]

2/ EADS is a Consortium (please read this definition), and in this consortium, EADS-CASA takes part in the 13% of development and production for all Eurofighter aircraft. EADS-CASA build the Right wing and leading edge slats for all aicraft, and carry out the final assembly of the aircraft for Spanish Air Force. You can read about this fact in English, in the following link: [6]

3/ The Spanish jet-engine builder company ITP also takes part in the 13% of development and production of the Eurojet EJ200 engine for all Eurofighter aircraft. ITP lead EJ200's TVC Thrust Vectoring Control nozzle project. You can read about this fact in English, in the following links: [7] [8]

You only must read the links and can see I´m telling the true.Bielasko (talk) 13:24, 6 October 2009 (UTC)

• If there is anyone who still continue to have doubts, I put here two links to videos from YouTube created by EADS-CASA with the final assembly of the Eurofighter in Getafe, Spain.

Final assembly 3D video of Eurofighter by EADS-CASA in Getafe, Part 1 of 2

Final assembly 3D video of Eurofighter by EADS-CASA in Getafe, Part 2 of 2

Video of First flight of First Eurofighter delivered to the Spanish Air Force in Getafe A.B.

I Hope you like it ... I think they are very interesting. Bielasko (talk) 01:21, 15 October 2009 (UTC)

OK I have had a look at the article which is really in a bit of a mess. CASA has operated since 1924 and it really should have more content rather than just a list of dates. As far as the Eurofighter is concerned I cant see a problem with having an image of a CASA-assembled aircraft the original company had a long history of building and assembling aircraft under licence. The text on Eurofighter assembly needs to be toned down again as it appears to have been edited to make a point and the image suitable labeled to indicate that it is assemblied should be next to the text. I would be good if the contributers could help to improve the article. It may be that any major changes should be discussed here first. So I am removing the protection as I trust users can move forward. Thanks. MilborneOne (talk) 16:30, 17 October 2009 (UTC)

Dissolved

It looks like EADS-CASA no longer exists as a separate company/entity. Yhe official website linked in the article now goes to the main EADS webpage. The Airbus page here lists the A400M, C212, CN235 and C295 as products of AIrbus Military, Finaly, the http://www.airbusmilitary.com/About.aspx states, "Airbus Military builts on the experience developed by the former Contrucciones Aeronauticas Sociedad Ánonima (CASA)." It looks like we need to move all current production info to [[[edit]Airbus Military]], and convert this page to a defunct company page. We might even move all the EADS CASA info there too, and rename this areitlce back to CASA, limiting it to covering the company before it joined EADS. - BilCat (talk) 17:19, 24 September 2010 (UTC)

• Hear, hear! Good point there, isn't what you've just said was already mentioned by us in the sections above? --Dave ^{♠♣♥♦™№1185©♪♫®} 17:57, 24 September 2010 (UTC)

I don't see any mention of Airbus Military above, though considering the highly congusing format caused by that certian editor, more things could get lost in there than in the Bermuda Triangle! - BilCat (talk) 18:04, 24 September 2010 (UTC)

• You can say that again~! --Dave ^{♠♣♥♦™№1185©♪♫®} 18:29, 24 September 2010 (UTC)

Puzzled

I have spent many hours copyediting this article, but a number of things require explanation or they still puzzle me:

1. I have changed "Military transport Aircraft'" to "various types of aircraft and aerospace components" in the info box.
I did this because the Eurofigher Typhoon and other types are not "Military transport Aircraft"; nor for that matter were the likes of the Heinkel!
If anyone can think of a better description, please do the honours and change it.

2. This sentence is in the 'History' section, 'CASA' subsection, para 4: "The CASA 201, a twin engine transport, (its engines were the Spanish-made ENMASA VAT Tigre G-125)".
On its own, it's pretty harmless, but in the context of the preceding couple of sentences, it makes no sense whatsoever and it pops up out of nowhere.

3. The caption for the CASA/Heinkel picture states; "236 were built"; but the text in para 4 of the 'History-CASA' section states "200".
Which is it?

4. Para 4 starts with: "After the war ..."
Which war are we talking about here? The previous paragraph/section discusses the Spanish Civil War, but the following text is about WW II.

RASAM (talk) 21:59, 12 February 2011 (UTC)

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See: Talk:Construcciones_Aeronáuticas_SA#Merge_with_EADS_CASA. Subtropical-man (✉ | en-2) 18:29, 29 January 2019 (UTC)