Talk:2 Line (Sound Transit)

North Link stations erroneously listed here

It looks like several North Link stations are listed here. East Link is supposed to go from downtown Seattle to Redmond. I'm removing these now because it's pretty clearly a mistake. -- Brianhe (talk) 04:07, 19 August 2009 (UTC)

That's not a mistake, the East Link line will go from Lynnwood to Redmond. -- Alexseattle (talk) 05:03, 19 August 2009 (UTC)

Can you show a source for that? The East Link article (nearly quoting Sound Transit's project page) says "...spanning about 22 miles from Downtown Seattle to the suburb of Redmond..."; the Sound Transit map cited in the article shows the line going from downtown to Redmond (in red). The East Link line apparently transfers to Central Link at the ID/Chinatown Station. -- Brianhe (talk) 05:09, 19 August 2009 (UTC)

The entire Draft EIS might be worth a read, but I skimmed the executive summary and saw a picture on page 10. It shows Seattle, Mercer Island, Smellvue, Overlake, and Redmond. No mention of Northgate or Lynnwood. ~ Atomic Taco (talk) 07:31, 19 August 2009 (UTC)

http://future.soundtransit.org/documents/SYS_LRT_Link_Maintenance_Bases_Vehicles_Operations_2008.pdf bottom of page 2. The DEIS refers to the East Link expansion project, but the line will continue up to Lynnwood. -- Alexseattle (talk) 19:47, 19 August 2009 (UTC)

Alexseattle, I think you're referring to this statement in the document you linked: "This project includes annual operating funds to operate and maintain all light rail system extensions to be built under the ST2 program. The operating plan supporting the light rail system in service between Lynnwood Transit Center, Overlake Transit Center and S 272nd Street..." So the ST2 expansion, which includes both the new East Link and North Link lines, will cover that area, not East Link alone. This is also explicit in Wikipedia's explanation of ST2 expansion at Link Light Rail#Future extensions. -- Brianhe (talk) 00:07, 20 August 2009 (UTC)

No, I'm referring to this statement: "The operating plan supporting the light rail system in service between Lynnwood Transit Center, Overlake Transit Center and S 272nd Street at the completion of ST2 is anticipated to be as follows: Line 1a – Lynnwood Transit Center to S 272nd Street: 4-car trains running every 7 minutes peak, Line 1b – Northgate Transit Center to S 272nd Street: 4-car trains running every 10 minutes off-peak, Line 2 – Lynnwood Transit Center to Overlake Transit Center: 3-car trains running every 7 minutes peak, 10 minutes off-peak" -- Alexseattle (talk) 01:14, 20 August 2009 (UTC)

The next page talks about end-of-the-line storage areas for Lynnwood, Overlake, and S272nd St. These seem to correspond to the extreme northern, southern and eastern ends of all the physical light rail track lines. I think in this usage "Line 1a/1b/2" does not correspond to one of the East/North/Central/University Link lines that the articles refer to. -- Brianhe (talk) 04:35, 20 August 2009 (UTC)

2012 update

Sound Transit just published an update a few months ago here. I changed this article to reflect the update as best as possible, but if anything was missed or stated erroneously, please correct it. Thanks, 50.47.195.198 (talk) 23:42, 11 March 2012 (UTC).

I also assume that when it says the line will open in 2023, that means all the stations from Seattle to Overlake, and I will update the articles about each station to reflect this. If I interpreted this wrong, please fix the all the articles about the stations as well as this one. Thanks, 50.47.195.198 (talk) 23:47, 11 March 2012 (UTC).

Commuting to Eastside

The current wording implies that there were no commuters and no bedroom communities prior to the 1940 floating bridge. This appears to be contradicted by sources like More Voices, New Stories: King County, Washington's First 150 Years which states "Passengers debarking the boats at Leschi rode the cable cars across the ridges to downtown Seattle; this would become a common commute for Eastsiders." There is a printed 1930 advertisement with special commuter rates in Lake Washington: The East Side (Arcadia) p. 24. There are also indications that the Kirkland and Houghton ferries were used for commuting in particular during World War II from Seattle to the Lake Washington Shipyard in Houghton (now Kirkland), which a) indicates the Eastside was an industrial employment center, not (entirely) a bedroom community and b) the ferry system was part of the commute prior to the floating bridge. ☆ Bri (talk) 16:28, 19 February 2018 (UTC)

Edited to add -- Google Books search for "Houghton shipyard Seattle workers" has several hits including this 1942 report stating 60% of the shipyard's workers were Seattle residents; also another Arcadia title stating the Leschi was used exclusively for Madison Park–Kirkland commuting "ferrying shipyard workers to Houghton" during WWII. ☆ Bri (talk) 16:34, 19 February 2018 (UTC)

Looks like I compressed the background a little too much. I have added a short mention of the ferries, but I want the focus to be on the floating bridge and commutes from homes on the Eastside to workplaces in Seattle. SounderBruce 22:59, 19 February 2018 (UTC)

GA Review

This review is transcluded from Talk:East Link Extension/GA1. The edit link for this section can be used to add comments to the review.

Reviewer: Ceranthor (talk · contribs) 16:54, 3 May 2018 (UTC)

Hey, SounderBruce, I'll be reviewing this. It will take me some time to get through it given the length, but here are some starting comments for the lead.

Thanks for taking this on. I don't mind if the review takes a while, since there's a lot to unpack here. I've addressed the four points you raised about the lead. SounderBruce 01:09, 5 May 2018 (UTC)

Lead

• "The East Link Extension is a future light rail line that will become part of Sound Transit's Link light rail system in the Seattle metropolitan area of the U.S. state of Washington." - Light rail shouldn't be repeated with such proximity
• "The line will use part of the Interstate 90 floating bridge" - I have no idea what a floating bridge is, so either clarify that or link to the appropriate article here You should link floating bridge at its first mention, not its second
• "A rail system serving the Eastside has been proposed since the 1960s, but did not gain traction until the establishment of Sound Transit in the early 1990s" - I know of course what you mean here, but the rail system itself cannot "gain traction" (or lack thereof); the proposal "did not gain traction"
• " During the planning process, the alignment in South Bellevue was debated by the city council" - unclear to me what "the alignment in South Bellevue" refers to
• Infobox and lead image seem suitable. ceranthor 16:54, 3 May 2018 (UTC)

General

• Went through and made a few copyedits, but the prose looks excellent. Feel free to change any of them if I changed the meaning or you dislike my tweak.
• Would you consider breaking up the history section into a few sections based on time, similar to the style of articles for artists like Lady Gaga?
  • @Ceranthor: The subsections are already in a vaguely chronological order (with some overlaps based on segment) and I don't think there needs to further subsectioning for most of the History section. I am looking at dividing up the Route refinement section, since it's rather long but needs to be kept together to maintain flow. SounderBruce 23:21, 21 May 2018 (UTC)
    • Fair enough. There's no reason to delay this article's promotion any longer, though, IMO. Passing. ceranthor 00:13, 22 May 2018 (UTC)

References

• Look solid.

@SounderBruce: I should be able to post comments tomorrow. Sorry for the delay! ceranthor 01:17, 21 May 2018 (UTC)

@SounderBruce: Posted a few comments. Consider the second comment and let me know what you think - and then this should be good to pass. ceranthor 14:33, 21 May 2018 (UTC)

"A future light rail line"

Can we drop "future" from the lede description as "a future light rail line" on Saturday when the Bellevue-Redmond section opens? ☆ Bri (talk) 17:46, 26 April 2024 (UTC)