Talk:End SARS

#EndSars

The Nigerian citizens have suffered a lot in the hand of this SARS. Not to mention the way the carry out their cannibal duties, instead of protecting the citizens , they are there becoming a legal criminal themselves. So whatever is it that you been told is happening in Nigeria is true. The government now also have been and always will use the armed forces to disrupt the peaceful protest going. But you what ? , the people aren't going to back out.

But there aren't any if very few white cops in Nigeria. This doesn't happen right? — Preceding unsigned comment added by 240D:1A:8AF:4D00:78A7:B7BA:2250:169E (talk) 10:02, 23 October 2020 (UTC)

Translations

Is anyone fluent in other languages, it would be great to see this article reach other media through translation! 623mutaNadu (talk) 16:30, 10 October 2020 (UTC)

See the Wikidata item for the interwiki links to other WP language projects. All new language versions need to have a link there. -- Deborahjay (talk) 19:30, 22 October 2020 (UTC)

Semi Protection for End SARS

Due to the current ongoing campaign and protests in Nigeria, the topics of the article is becoming controversial and attracting people who add unverifiable information and personal sentiments, defacing the credibility of the article. In order to prevent disruption, I am requesting temporary protection on this page. Thank you so much. Kabusa16 (talk) 07:22, 12 October 2020 (UTC)

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Patrick 08068897507 (talk) 17:30, 13 October 2020 (UTC)

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The decline is for temporary protection. Not "article for creation". Patrick 08068897507 (talk) 17:32, 13 October 2020 (UTC)

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Sustainable development organisations and activities.

I plan on adding contents on sustainable development organisations that have supported the protests either through advocacy or activities such as picking up trash after protests. I will go ahead with it on 16th, October 2020 by 10am if there is no objection. Thank you and I look forward to your guidance. Moshood Lasisi (talk) 14:17, 15 October 2020 (UTC)

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People will laugh at this referring it to Severe Acute Respiratory Syndrome Coronavirus Two. AustroHungarian1867, 9:34 AM (GMT) October 16th, 2020. — Preceding unsigned comment added by AustroHungarian1867 (talk • contribs) It would actually be sars-cov-3 if it was the next Coronavirus. NinjaWeeb (talk) 01:37, 18 October 2020 (UTC)

Requested move 21 October 2020

The following is a closed discussion of a requested move. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made in a new section on the talk page. Editors desiring to contest the closing decision should consider a move review after discussing it on the closer's talk page. No further edits should be made to this discussion.

The result of the move request was: Consensus against moving (non-admin closure) (t · c) buidhe 20:42, 28 October 2020 (UTC)

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End SARS → End SARS movement – End SARS is a movement, not an organization. Putting the title as End SARS will be confusing, as some people may be thinking it as ending the virus (COVID). Putting it as End SARS protests isn't a good title either, since the movement has been around for some time, and has only gained news attention recently. To be honest, this is just like the Black Lives Matter movement though less widespread. Furthermore, the first sentence says End Special Anti-Robbery Squad (End SARS) or #EndSARS is a decentralized social movement against police brutality in Nigeria. Thus, I suggest changing the title to End SARS Movement. ~ Destroyeraa🌀 23:30, 21 October 2020 (UTC)

• Support Makes sense, sounds like it's not a protest against SARS but more like they are just ending it. SoloGaming (talk) 01:12, 22 October 2020 (UTC)
• Support "End SARS movement" is less ambiguous.
  • Oppose/Suggestion I prefer Jamie Tubers's approach of just adding a hatnote rather than moving the article itself, as it seems that EndSARS is a much more common name. Perhaps removing the space from the title would be a good idea too, since "EndSARS" gives 40 times more results when googling news for the movement than "End SARS" and in my opinion makes it more clear that it refers to the movement. Oqwert (talk) 07:46, 22 October 2020 (UTC)
• Support The title sounds like an opinion, although I definitely support the movement, I think the proposed new article title will be less opinionated. Beetricks 10:14, 22 October 2020 (UTC)
• Support It makes clearer that it covers the entire movemement established in 2016, and not just the recent protests. Dimadick (talk) 11:08, 22 October 2020 (UTC)
• Support People might confuse it with SARS virus, which is what confused me too. Sitaphul (talk) 12:29, 22 October 2020 (UTC)
• Strong Oppose There is no such thing as "End SARS Movement" and such title isn't supported by multiple independent and verifiable reliable sources. Black Lives Matter isn't renamed to Black Lives Matter Movement for similar reasons(s). The correct title of the article is #EndSARS and the omission of the # is due to technical restrictions just like #Beautiful. #ENDSARS did not start as a movement but as a campaign on Twitter against the Special Anti-Robbery Squad (SARS) brutality. The #ENDSARS neither have a structured leadership, it only has sort of leading figure as described by independent sources. That two articles have the same or similar title isn't a valid reason to move articles like this is often by policy, resolved with a Wikipedia:Disambiguation. "EndSARS" is the common name of the subject of this article and that does not result in any confusion with the Severe Acute Respiratory Syndrome article. Moving or renaming this subject to End SARS Movement is disruptive. Kabusa16 (talk) 18:55, 22 October 2020 (UTC)
  • Black Lives Matter is an organization part of a larger movement against systematic racism and police brutality,. The End SARS protests are an online movement that started on Twitter, which the article says in the first sentence. ~ Destroyeraa🌀 19:39, 22 October 2020 (UTC)

From your last and initial statement, I can deduce that you seem to be contradicting yourself. It doesn't matter where the #EndSARS started. What matters is open knowledge and not skewed knowledge. Page move and or renaming isn't done against policy. This particular request for renaming or page move isn't supported by policy but based largely on a preconceived notion. Kabusa16 (talk) 08:08, 23 October 2020 (UTC)

• Oppose: The vast majority of reliable sources report this subject as just "End SARS", there's basically no reason to add an unnecessary disambiguation to the title, per WP:CONCISE. The only sources I see reporting this issue as "End SARS movement" are American/Western sources, and their coverage are in the minority. Western editors trying to impose that perspective on the article is essentially reinforcing a WP:Systemic Bias, which goes against WP:NPOV. If anyone is worried about possible confusion for some tiny minority of western readers, a hatnote would solve the problem.--Jamie Tubers (talk) 21:21, 23 October 2020 (UTC)
• Strong oppose The proposed title fails WP:COMMONNAME as reliable sources available refers to it as just End SARS. OP and the support voters doesn't seem to refer any policy that the current title fails, as the nomination is simply a case of personal point of view and I just don't like it not backed by policy. Per WP:CONCISE, the article's title should remain as it is for easy identification with people familiar with the general subject area. —Nnadigoodluck███ 22:38, 23 October 2020 (UTC)
• Very very strong oppose I believe reliable source refer it just as End SARS because it falls WP:COMMONNAME. The title of the remain shall be remained as this, as it would prevent further confusion with Severe Acute Respiratory Syndrome, the disease that cause SARS in 2003 and COVID-19 this year.
  • Change to Support because there are ambiguous term regarding what is the SARS. IMO, "End SARS movement is less ambiguous because it is not about SARS itself. I'm sorry I change the previous argument. 36.65.38.17 (talk) 23:22, 23 October 2020 (UTC)
• Strong oppose per others – no supporter has provided reliable sources that use such a term... Aza24 (talk) 02:44, 24 October 2020 (UTC)

The trend was tagged #endSARS to as this was also the primary request at protest ground, and as such the article should be titled as such... Davioseki (talk) 08:36, 24 October 2020 (UTC)

• Strongly Oppose Davioseki (talk) 08:41, 24 October 2020 (UTC)

• Strong oppose as END SARS remains the collective name irrespective, any prefix or suffix to this will distort the collective name per Kabusa16 and Jamie Tubers.. Kaizenify (talk) 09:50, 24 October 2020 (UTC)

• Strong oppose What is going on around this article is not too right. Black Lives Matter is not named a movement because the article or movement came long after the article has been created. Should we move the Black Lives Matter article to Black Lives Matter movement too? This is not a movement or a group. Danidamiobi (talk) 15:53, 24 October 2020 (UTC)

• Oppose. Nom's rationale is a weak reason for moving. Why does whether it's a movement or an organization matter in the article title? It can be a social movement and the fact that the lede says so is good; the lede is expected to include additional information. That's no reason to pack more information into the title. We don't move Oxfam to Oxfam charitable organization or the like; that's information for the lede of the article. SnowFire (talk) 04:20, 25 October 2020 (UTC)

• Strongly Oppose as END SARS is the known name for the event , i.e the two weeks protests. There is no continuing organization or shared values amongst the many social , activist or religious groups that supported the protests beyond the obvious goal of ending police brutality and corruption. And there is no confusion between the END SARS protests and the SARS disease.

--Kiibaati (talk) 13:09, 25 October 2020 (UTC)

• Oppose The fact it's a movement can be mentioned in the lede; the know. name is End SARS. – DarkGlow (talk) 21:50, 27 October 2020 (UTC)

• Support I agree that End Sars Movement would clear up ambiguities related to confusing with the SARS virus. I also do not believe that this opens up a slippery slope with similar Wikipedia pages. Peacekeepurwar (talk) 02:27, 28 October 2020 (UTC)

• Oppose per CONCISE and COMMONNAME. Adding movement does nothing to reduce ambiguity. We have hatnotes for a reason. --- C&C (Coffeeandcrumbs) 07:06, 28 October 2020 (UTC)

• Strong oppose There is no need to disambiguate. In Nigeria, it is usually known simply as End SARS, not as End SARS movement. Most articles have links that point to End SARS anyways. Imagine the piped linking nightmare chore that will follow if we rename this article. Greenwhitedino (talk) 14:37, 28 October 2020 (UTC)

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Use of the word thug/thugs

I understand that these shadowy gun-toting, protester-shooting men are despicable, but "thugs" isn't the most academic word to describe them. Perhaps "paramilitary?" "Secret police?" — Preceding unsigned comment added by Rankedo (talk • contribs) 00:45, 22 October 2020 (UTC)

From the look of thing Rankedo, the police and mobs now work together. So thugs are quiet the right word to use. ChuksJD (talk) 01:03, 22 October 2020 (UTC)

Support The usage of thugs is opinionated. We should use another word Sitaphul (talk) 12:30, 22 October 2020 (UTC)

The term "thugs" isn't particularly enlightening to who these people are (or suspected to be) to a casual reader... --Cold Season (talk) 19:45, 27 October 2020 (UTC)

Edit request

Hi everybody!, I have this source about the U.S. reaction through Mike Pompeo. But I don't know where to add it. And I'm afraid of negative reaction from other users If I add it in the wrong place. Just to let editors of this article know. Thank you a lot. CoryGlee (talk) 12:23, 22 October 2020 (UTC)

Artiste H.E.R contributions to the End SARS campaign

Hello Guys (Editors),

So I noticed nobody I've included how H.E.R used her platform to educate as well as spread the information on EndSARS.

www.nme.com/en_asia/news/music/h-e-r-backs-endsars-protests-during-snl-performance-2798188

KINDLY INSERT,

THANKS. Metalliczoid (talk) 18:10, 26 October 2020 (UTC)

Userbox request

Can someone make a userbox for End SARS, just like how we now have userboxes for Black Lives Matter? Greenwhitedino (talk) 14:38, 28 October 2020 (UTC)

Remove hatnote

Can we remove this hatnote?

The correct title of this article is #EndSARS. The substitution of the # is due to technical restrictions.

#EndSARS is used on social media, but the actual correct title would still be End SARS. Like how Black Lives Matter is the actual name, whereas #BlackLivesMatter is only the social hashtag. Greenwhitedino (talk) 14:42, 28 October 2020 (UTC)

I agree - I removed it. SnowFire (talk) 18:33, 29 October 2020 (UTC)

@Greenwhitedino, @SnowFire: I am resurrecting this to continue the discussion as I am the editor that added the hatnote in the first place. The protest started off on Twitter then escalated to the streets. Reliable sources still use #EndSARS till date and unless there’s a source that says that the actual “would still be End SARS, then I think I’m correct. Python Drink also had suggested moving the article to EndSARS and I share the same opinion as him. I’ll be making a bold move after 24 hours if it isn’t opposed. Best, Reading Beans 08:01, 17 June 2024 (UTC)

@Reading Beans: When in doubt, a bold move is not the play. I think you should file a full WP:RM if you're serious about a move to let the community discuss the matter. I don't think it's controversial that many of the references to the movement are by the hashtag #EndSARS which is why that's in the first sentence, just the question is if that is the term for the movement-as-a-whole. SnowFire (talk) 16:40, 17 June 2024 (UTC)

Should we accept Twitter references?

Sources 109, 110 and 111, used under the sub-section, 22 October, of the Timeline of events section are from Twitter. Is it appropriate to cite social media posts as references now? Bemmax (talk) 04:28, 9 November 2020 (UTC)

In relation to the worldwide #endsars movement, can police brutality ever be justified in dealing with suspected criminals?

Your answers would be gladly appreciated as I’m compiling a speech for my pageant debate. Thanks 😊 Elmovry (talk) 13:01, 14 November 2020 (UTC)

WP:Refdesk would be a better place to ask. All the best: Rich Farmbrough 18:09, 10 February 2021 (UTC).

Interesting article, and possible source

https://www.opendemocracy.net/en/5050/queer-nigerians-face-police-brutality-why-were-they-erased-endsars/

All the best: Rich Farmbrough 18:09, 10 February 2021 (UTC).

Suggested move to "EndSARS"

Might sound pedantic but the correct usage is #EndSARS (as shown in reliable sources and social media. The lead even correctly spells it). So why isn't this page at "EndSARS" instead? If nobody contests this, I'll be moving the page in at least an hour. — Python Drink (talk) 18:19, 18 October 2022 (UTC)

I'll no longer be moving the page but I'm still interested in hearing what someone has to say — Python Drink (talk) 18:48, 18 October 2022 (UTC)