Talk:2019 European Parliament election

Planned changes after Brexit

Who would become the new “Brexit MEPs”? I know Alviina Alametsä and Thomas Waitz are two of them. – Kaihsu (talk) 19:17, 10 November 2019 (UTC)

Votes by group in the European election

Hello, I'd like to add a table with the votes for each European party of the election grouped with respect to the political group the national parties decided to join in the 2019 European Parliament. I created a table summing up the votes of the parties of the 28 countries which obtained at least 1 seat. For the shared lists EPP-S&D, EPP-RE etc... that were present in some countries (Poland, Slovakia, Netherlands etc...) I put them in different rows because it is not possible to separate the votes for each party. The parties that did not obtain any seat in the election are grouped in the last row "Lists without seats". References from each electoral commission and the final distribution of the seats for the EU Parliament are present. It would be great to add it in the "Results" section. The table with the references for each country would look like this:

2019 results by European electoral list

Political group		Votes	%	Seats
	EPP†‡¤	35,590,680	17.89	162 / 751
	S&D†	35,406,431	17.80	149 / 751
	RE‡	23,588,380	11.86	106 / 751
	ID	20,836,020	10.47	73 / 751
	Greens/EFA*	18,745,754	9.42	72 / 751
	ECR¤	14,350,372	7.21	61 / 751
	NI	12,922,724	6.50	56 / 751
	GUE/NGL*	8,043,643	4.04	35 / 751
	EPP - S&D (Poland only) (European Coalition list)	5,249,935	2.64	17 / 751 (EPP)
				5 / 751 (S&D)
	GUE/NGL - Greens/EFA lists (Spain only) (Unidas Podemos, Ahora Repúblicas)	3,510,996	1.76	6 / 751 (GUE/NGL)
				2 / 751 (Greens/EFA)
				1 / 751 (NI)
	EPP - ECR (Netherlands only) (Christian Union-SGP list)	375,660	0.19	1 / 751 (EPP)
				1 / 751 (ECR)
	EPP - RE (Slovakia only) (Progressive Slovakia-SPOLU list)	198,255	0.10	2 / 751 (EPP)
				2 / 751 (RE)
	Lists without seats	20,132,045	10.12	0 / 751
Total		198,950,835	100	751
Registered voters/turnout		-	50.62	–
Notes: † except Poland, ‡ except Slovakia, ¤ except Netherlands, * except Spain Source: [1], [2], [3], [4], [5], [6], [7], [8], [9], [10], [11], [12], [13], [14], [15], [16], [17], [18], [19], [20], [21], [22], [23], [24], [25], [26], [27], [28], [29]

87.10.82.145 (talk) 12:55, 22 December 2019 (UTC)

This table is extremely confusing, in my opinion. First of all, it confuses the European-level parties (Europarties) with the parliamentary groups in the European Parliament. For example, among the non-inscrits, there are members of European parties like European Free Alliance or Initiative of Communist and Workers' Parties, which are too small to create their own group. Also, within well-established groups, there are members who are not member of any European party. See for example the member-list in the article Renew Europe. Finally, even if we want to list the European-level "coalitions", there is a problem for example regarding the right-wing populist groups: in this case it was not clear which parties would participate and which groups would be formed until days after the election. Regarding the EFDD group, its former members ran at the election, but the group disappeared right after the election since the Brexit Party and the Five Star Movement entered the Non-Inscrits. --Ritchie92 (talk) 18:10, 22 December 2019 (UTC)

The table refers to the Eurogroups in the EU Parliament, my bad. This was an error and indeed confusing for the reader. The table refers to the lists that have joined the final EU groups formed after the election and established in the plenary session of the new Parliament [30]. Actually I also realised that, even disassembling the votes by European Party or Group... Luxemburg uses a different electoral system with multiple votes that does not mirror the actual number of people who voted in the election, making the final numbers for the parties inflated. The Luxemburg votes would not have the same weight of Maltese or Lithuanian votes for example. The table theoretically could be build but I guess it would be really difficult to decipher. If you find or think about a better way to represent the collective results for the entire parliament in terms of votes let me know. --87.10.82.145 (talk) 19:04, 22 December 2019 (UTC)

I don't think there is a simple way to do it, since as you said there are different election systems for each country in the EU, and on top of that in some countries parties from different European groups (or parties) join in coalition and discerning the votes for each political party is impossible. As a matter of fact, there are no aggregate EU election vote-counts around in the media, probably because this is not possible to be done in a consistent way. Indeed the media and the official sources always mention the number of seats won by each group, and not the number of votes gained. --Ritchie92 (talk) 10:56, 24 December 2019 (UTC)

Reversion of Post-Brexit Edits

This edit, introducing a map of the seats distributed following the United Kingdom's exit from the European Union, was reverted by User:Ritchie92 on 18 January 2021.

The reason given for this reversion was that this page is about the 2019 European Parliament election, and not what happened after. This is obviously an entirely reasonable reason to remove my changes, but the page itself already had information relating to post-Brexit seat changes, which my edits - I believe - made clearer. Nonetheless, whilst by changes were removed, this part of the article was not, despite both falling under the label as having "happened after" this election.

As a result, I don't believe this reversion was justified and would like to re-publish my changes. --Torshian (talk) 15:17, 19 January 2021 (UTC)

I now realise that the issue was probably not with the map, but my other changes, and I will hope it would be incontroversial for me to re-add the map alone. Apologies. --Torshian (talk) 15:22, 19 January 2021 (UTC)

I had not noticed the map, I meant to revert the edits in the infobox (which I think should reflect the outcome of the election itself, not what happened later with the seats after Brexit). --Ritchie92 (talk) 15:43, 19 January 2021 (UTC)

Yeah, sorry. I agree with you here. --Torshian (talk) 13:08, 22 January 2021 (UTC)