Talk:Evans Bay

Patent Slip

Should the patent slip have its own page?Wainuiomartian (talk) 19:53, 22 July 2021 (UTC)

@Wainuiomartian: I had a quick look in Papers Past, just searching for "Patent slip", and there were lots of results that were about the Wellington patent slip. There also seems to be lots of historical images, and the older ones will be out of copyright/ in the public domain. The topic is of historic significance, and I think there is enough material to expand the existing content and justify a new article. Perhaps we could work on a new article together ?? --Marshelec (talk) 21:09, 22 September 2022 (UTC)

Yes, sounds like a good idea.Wainuiomartian (talk) 18:28, 23 September 2022 (UTC)

How do you split a section of an article off to its own page?Wainuiomartian (talk) 07:01, 3 October 2022 (UTC)

There is detailed advice at WP:SPLIT. The process looks long-winded, but is actually quite simple. I doubt this will be controversial, or that many will engage in the discussion, but you never know. I will do what I can to support, and in the meantime, I will search out some of the most interesting sources about the Patent slip from PapersPast.--Marshelec (talk) 07:19, 3 October 2022 (UTC)

As a further thought, I think the proposal to split out content about the Patent slip into a new article of its own is non-controversial, and does not require the notification and consultation process. As it says in the Information page: "For uncontroversial splits, no permission is needed to split; just do it.". --Marshelec (talk) 07:33, 3 October 2022 (UTC)

@Wainuiomartian: The split is complete, although there is still some cleanup to do, and it is worth reviewing images. I plan to put a Gallery into the new article. See what you think. --Marshelec (talk) 22:35, 5 October 2022 (UTC)

Looks fantastic! I will add to it if I can find anything worthwhile.Wainuiomartian (talk) 00:33, 6 October 2022 (UTC)

@Wainuiomartian: I had to go out this afternoon, and the sun was bright, so despite the freezing wind, I managed to get some reasonable photos of the site as-is, and have just uploaded these. See C:Category:Evans Bay Patent Slip. There may be some useful content in the signage that can be used as a prompt to enhance the content, and I also saw a photo from WCC Archives that I will try to track down. I will choose one or two of today's photos to include in the article.--Marshelec (talk) 02:10, 6 October 2022 (UTC)

Wellington City Archives has digitised some maps/plans for me. Just sorting out copyright before linking/inserting images.Wainuiomartian (talk) 20:18, 20 October 2022 (UTC)

Requested move 24 April 2023

The following is a closed discussion of a requested move. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made in a new section on the talk page. Editors desiring to contest the closing decision should consider a move review after discussing it on the closer's talk page. No further edits should be made to this discussion.

The result of the move request was: moved, per clear consensus to do so. Move will be posted to WP:RMT. (non-admin closure) — That Coptic Guy^{ping me!} (talk) (contribs) 17:42, 1 May 2023 (UTC)

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• Evans Bay, New Zealand → Evans Bay
• Evans Bay → Evans Bay (Nunavut)

– Almost certainly the primary topic - one is a prominent bay near the centre of New Zealand's capital and one of its largest cities, and the other is an uninhabited bay on an uninhabited island deep in the Arctic. I'm not 100% sure of the conventions around disambiguation for Canadian places, so I'm not fussed on what the specific disambiguation on that side looks like. Turnagra (talk) 22:36, 24 April 2023 (UTC)

• Support second point - it's not often you see on Wikipedia that base name titles have far less content than those which have identifiers after them. Unsure on the first point until more user input is needed. Iggy (Swan) (Contribs) 15:57, 25 April 2023 (UTC)
• Support Clear case – I would have just moved it. The proposed disambiguator looks fine. Schwede66 17:01, 25 April 2023 (UTC)

  Yeah, I just wasn't sure if I was going to be able to for technical reasons because of the multiple moves involved. I suppose I could've done a technical request though? Turnagra (talk) 18:36, 25 April 2023 (UTC)

  • Support I agree this is a clear case...Marshelec (talk) 21:51, 25 April 2023 (UTC)
• Support, but to Evans Bay (Canada). And yeah, probably would have been fine to run through tech requests (but then you would have missed my valuable input there!). — HTGS (talk) 05:24, 27 April 2023 (UTC)

  I thought about that, but it seems Canadian conventions are to use the province in a similar way to American places using the state - see Augusta Bay (Nunavut) or Bowman Bay (Nunavut). Turnagra (talk) 05:43, 27 April 2023 (UTC)

• Support per nom, or variant by HTGS. --Spekkios (talk) 07:11, 27 April 2023 (UTC)
• Support. The main reason the pages are titled the way they are is that the Nunavut article was created a couple of years before the New Zealand article was — but there's no question which one is more notable, both for location and article length reasons. Nunavut is the most appropriate disambiguator; Canada's massive enough that geographic topics should virtually always be disambiguated as specifically as possible rather than just as "(Canada)". The only other suitable alternative to "Nunavut" would be "Arctic Ocean" rather than "Canada". Bearcat (talk) 14:23, 29 April 2023 (UTC)

  @both: Interesting. I personally don’t see that massiveness should be reason to use more specific disambiguation than needed, but if there’s convention in place then this isn’t the place to go against it. I can only speak as someone unfamiliar with Canadian topics, but Nunavut was meaningless to me, and there’s no other Canadian Evans Bays, so I only sought the more naively helpful title. — HTGS (talk) 21:46, 30 April 2023 (UTC)

The discussion above is closed. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page. No further edits should be made to this discussion.

Cog Park

@Marshelec: I've added Cog Park - can you run your eye over it and spot anything wrong? Sources and maps vary on which side of the road is Cog Park, so I said both...

Also, I'm beginning to wonder if the flying boats should have their own article? Wainuiomartian (talk) 19:03, 18 November 2023 (UTC)