Talk:Expulsion (education)

I never thought I'd say this, but this page is FAR to "British-centric", defining the title "principal" by referring to "headteacher"! Besides that there is a load of the second person and other things. 68.39.174.238 03:25, 20 February 2007 (UTC)

I am one of the editors which have written some of the pages, I have added a couple of sources published by the UK government which state the rules. I think that to state that the article is too "British-centric" is unreasonable. The "USA-centric" version was written in a much more informal manner, having a working knowledge of the UK system I wrote a section on the UK system and then improved the US section by adding a reference to one education system in the states. It would be best if a teacher or governor from the US (or some other part of the world) would add new sections for other school systems.

Also User:68.39.174.238 needs an extra English lesson to cure his misuse of written English, to is the word which sounds like the number 2 which is used when one writes "Luke went to the football match", while too is the word used when one writes "Luke stayed out too late".Cadmium

We aren't quite that strict. For example, possession of very small knives or of look-alike weapons will only get you suspended, fighting usually merits an ISS {AKA exclusion from the rest of the school}, and, if you go to rehab, you won't get expelled until your 3rd alcohol offence or your 2nd drug offence.

The first time verbal sexual harassment is used, its usually a 5 day suspension. Constant profanity only gets you detention until the 3rd offence in which case you get ISS and after that an alternate education program (transfer to a remediation class or something) FinalWish 02:08, 30 August 2007 (UTC)

There's a blank section

Either fill the Famous Expulsions section, or delete that section. Mydoctor93 (talk) 09:50, 25 September 2008 (UTC) https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Talk:Expulsion_(education)&action=edit

Academic failure

This article does not mention academic (scholastic) failure as grounds for expulsion. In some private schools, such failure is grounds for expulsion (or having to leave the school permanently). H Padleckas (talk) 13:19, 27 August 2009 (UTC)

"sent down"

"sent down" redirects to expulsion. since in the british context I have only ever heard of this used in regards to Oxford/cambridge universities and private schools shouldnt there be an explanation for the redirect or a small page? in a state school or university the term expulsion would always be used. 91.128.24.17 (talk) 16:04, 21 September 2009 (UTC)

"Withdrawing"

At the very begining of the article, it shows the word "withdrawing" as another word for expulsion; isn't withdrawing when a student voluntarily moves from an institution? Sam.gov (talk) 06:21, 31 January 2014 (UTC)

I don't remember ever contributing to this article, but I have a passing interest in the topic, and I thought your question was worthy of a quick search, for your observation certainly seemed reasonable. "Other parents have indicated that instead of expelling students, some schools have simply adopted an informal “push out” policy. Reportedly, parents have been called into the school to discuss their children’s behavior; upon arriving they were presented with a pre-completed withdrawal form, asked to sign and find a “more suitable school” for their children." Emphasis added by me. Gzuufy (talk) 00:22, 1 February 2014 (UTC)

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Question about source

In the Expulsion Rates subsection underneath the United States and Canada subsection, there is currently a reference to a report by Russell J. Skiba that is marked as being done in 2003. The report that is linked is dated August, 2000. I am not sure how to approach this, since it is being used to back the assertion that, "Beginning with the Gun-Free School Zones Act, and following the Columbine shooting tragedy, schools have become increasingly willing to suspend or have expelled students for minor behavior offenses". The source mentions Columbine once, and it's unclear whether the source is stating that Columbine was part of the "beginning" of the increase in expulsion rates. Especially in light of the first sentence in that section, the article does not seem to be entirely coherent.

How should we move forward? Mikehawk10 (talk) 04:25, 24 January 2021 (UTC)

Proposed merge from Bannimus

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To merge Bannimus to Expulsion (education), on the grounds of short text and context. Klbrain (talk) 09:25, 15 July 2023 (UTC)

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I propose that Bannimus is merely one case of a kind of expulsion, and would be best merged to the UK section of this article. BD2412 T 03:40, 9 September 2022 (UTC)

In principle that should work, but I am concerned that this article is in practice almost entirely concerned withe expulsions from schools with almost nothing about universities, despite what it says in the lead. Jonathan A Jones (talk) 10:56, 12 October 2022 (UTC)

I think that it might be better to merge this to Rustication (academia), which has more on universities; one could also consider bannimus as the limiting case of rustication ... and, regardless, the short text at Bannimus would have some better context (Oxbridge discussion) there. Klbrain (talk) 22:01, 23 November 2022 (UTC)

The problem with that is that rustication is very definitely not expulsion: rustication is always (in principle) temporary while expulsion is always (in principle) permanent. I'm increasingly of the view that all mergers here create more difficulties than they solve, and we should just leave things as they are. Jonathan A Jones (talk) 17:09, 24 November 2022 (UTC)

Is the term "bannimus" exclusive to Oxford? Joyous! | Talk 23:24, 4 March 2023 (UTC)

@Joyous!: I think that it is Oxford-specific; I had a bit of a search for references in Cambridge, but couldn't find anything (just the use of the term expulsion). I'd be happy with a merge to explusion rather rather rustification, given Jonathan A Jones's concerns. Klbrain (talk) 18:23, 16 April 2023 (UTC)

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  Y Merger complete. Klbrain (talk) 09:25, 15 July 2023 (UTC)

Excluded from University

If they refuse to go school, they will be expelled. University is not a school. 100.2.114.167 (talk) 20:45, 31 October 2022 (UTC)