Talk:Extraterritoriality of Princess Margriet's birth

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Princess Margriet, 1943

• ... that Princess Margriet of the Netherlands (pictured) was born in Canada's capital but outside of the country's legal jurisdiction?

• Source: Margriet's birth in Ottawa is readily verifiable, the source used in the article is Gideon Defoe, An Atlas of Extinct Countries, p. 125. For 'outside of Canada's jurisdiction', in-article source is Proclamation declaring the extraterritoriality of the birthplace of Princess Margriet of the Netherlands in Canada, George IV, public domain at Wikisource. If you don't like Wikisource it is also available at this archive of Canada Gazette which is much more difficult to read.

• ALT1: ... that Canada created an extraterritorial bubble into which Princess Margriet of the Netherlands was born? Source: as ALT0 plus page 124 of Dafoe for the "bubble".
• ALT2: ... that Princess Margriet of the Netherlands's impending birth was proclaimed extraterritorial due to wartime necessity? Source: as ALT0
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• Comment: Special occasion for 19 January, Margriet's birthday. Open to ALTs.

Created by Reidgreg (talk). Number of QPQs required: 2. DYK is currently in unreviewed backlog mode and nominator has 24 past nominations.

Reidgreg (talk) 13:41, 8 December 2024 (UTC).

•  Doing... ミラP@Miraclepine 20:05, 8 December 2024 (UTC)

General: Article is new enough and long enough
New enough: Long enough:

Policy compliance:

• Adequate sourcing: - Date of proclamation isn't verified within the document (WS titles are unreliable as UGC), but ref 5 does that; however I'm not sure if I should do it myself given the "adding sources" part in the advice I linked. Otherwise no issues that couldn't be directly fixed.
• Neutral:
• Free of copyright violations, plagiarism, and close paraphrasing:

Hook: Hook has been verified by provided inline citation
Cited: - Offline/paywalled citation accepted in good faith Interesting:

Image eligibility:

• Freely licensed:
• Used in article:
• Clear at 100px: - Might be more so with a cropped version, but I've submitted a Graphics Lab request due to the photograph shown being crooked.

QPQ: Done.

Overall: Created and nominated both today, sized at 4677 B. Ref 6 is PD, but outside the large quote, enough of the text is paraphrased to count towards size; otherwise no copyvio issues or anything that needed to be rewritten. Made a few minor fixes per WP:V and the advice at Wikipedia_talk:Did_you_know/Archive_202#c-RoySmith-20241101020900-Crisco_1492_mobile-20241101015300. While checking the copied "peoples of Canada and the Netherlands", I discovered that both Powell refs are redundant, so I've merged them. Reservation made six weeks in advance, right at the six-week limit. Leaning ALT0. AGF the Dafoe ref; speaking of...

Sources are all reliable and verified/AGFed. To be safe I needed to verify the reliability of Atlas of Extinct Countries given its comedic-like nature and it checks out: CNN says it's "meticulously researched but written for genuine laughs", Asian Review of Books says "brief, often humorous summaries not intended to provide a comprehensive, scholarly examination of extinct countries", and Cartographic Perspectives says "descriptions of the territorial entities are often anecdotal, meant as much to amuse as to inform ... I found myself searching the internet for articles on these places, both to verify the more ludicrous claims presented in Defoe’s writing (they all check out)" and that there are cited sources (albeit "on a marginally-related tangent").

Image is freely licensed, but it's a photo of a tilted photo, so I've submitted a Graphic Lab request at Commons; I can hold this for until the request is done. @Reidgreg: once these issues are fixed, you're good to go. ミラP@Miraclepine 22:01, 8 December 2024 (UTC)

@Reidgreg: Graphic Lab is done, but upon closer look, the image should be fine at 120px since one can tell there's a baby being held by a military officer, enough to match the context. Fix the one issue and you're good to go. ミラP@Miraclepine 23:25, 8 December 2024 (UTC)

@Miraclepine: Thanks for the quick and thorough review, and for the image improvements. Addressing the (other) red X first, the date of the proclamation, I've added "Veen1979" as suggested (I kept the original citation as Veen doesn't mention George VI).

Re: the first/only time a foreign flag flew at the Peace Tower, I added "Tanweer2021" which has only. Is that sufficient (it's 3 years old)?

re: the myth, "Veen1979" (which only mentions one room) is the one good source which describes the myth as a myth. Here are two reliable sources which are examples of reportage of the myth as truth with more than one room:

• People, 1 Feb 1943 "In Ottawa, in a hospital suite declared Dutch territory for the day, to Crown Princess Juliana had been born [...] Margriet"
• New York Post 20 June 2021 "Once Princess Juliana entered the third floor of Ottawa's Civic Hospital to give birth to Princess Margriet, Canada declared the maternity ward part of the Netherlands".

One can readily find additional unreliable sources. I wasn't sure about citing sources which report incorrectly. Thoughts? – Reidgreg (talk) 00:21, 9 December 2024 (UTC)

Both are good, and I fixed the Tanweer ref to show "as of". WP:NYPOST is WP:GUNREL, but it's being used as a primary source in the context of the myth, so the principle of ABOUTSELF will apply here; same for the People ref, which is reliable per RSP. Add them if you want. In the meantime, ALT0 approved. ミラP@Miraclepine 00:50, 9 December 2024 (UTC)

@Reidgreg: forgot ping. ミラP@Miraclepine 00:50, 9 December 2024 (UTC)

@Miraclepine: I put it back with or as much as the entire maternity ward in parenthesis, with a citation to three references, grouped together the way you did for Powell. I think that works. – Reidgreg (talk) 02:05, 9 December 2024 (UTC)

@Reidgreg: Looks good to me. ミラP@Miraclepine 02:16, 9 December 2024 (UTC)