Talk:Eyes Without a Face (film)

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• Eyes Without a Face at AllMovie ... plot synopsis, review, cast, production credits, awards

Reference available for citing in the article body. Erik (talk) 20:11, 10 January 2010 (UTC)

Suggested "influences"

I'm highly critical of this sentence in the introduction: "as well as being a notable influence on filmmakers such as John Carpenter, Jesús Franco and John Woo." for being too speculative. a) Carpenter only suggests in the quoted interview that LYSV (or the mask in it, respectively) could have influenced the mask used in his film Halloween. b) Again, reviews suggest that the operation scene in LYSV influenced the same scene in Face/Off. Woo never confirmed that to my knowledge. I would leave these passages in the Legacy section of this article but would change the mentioned sentence in the intro to something like "as well as being an influence on other filmmakers." or simply delete it from the intro.--Robert Kerber (talk) 16:13, 9 August 2011 (UTC)

Right. This was my first article I really worked on and looking at it again, these should be removed. I can't find a source on Woo stating this directly so I'm going to go with what you suggested. Andrzejbanas (talk) 22:58, 9 August 2011 (UTC)

Genre

LYSV is not a genuine horror film (as written in the intro) but a combination of thriller and horror or rather a thriller with horror elements (visuals, mad scientist motif). There is absolutely no supernatural element to it. William Everson doesn't even mention it in his "Classics of the horror film".--Robert Kerber (talk) 16:13, 9 August 2011 (UTC)

Horror films don't necessarily need a supernatural element. Allrovi, Criterion, J. Hoberman, and Pauline Kael refer to it as a horror film, I believe that's enough sources. Andrzejbanas (talk) 20:30, 9 August 2011 (UTC)

I question Allrovi as a profound source and Criterion is simply the DVD's distribution company; of course the latter two are viewpoints worth discussing. It still reminds me of the popular misconception of Hitchcock's Psycho being a horror film. (I hope we agree on that.) Btw, what's your opinion on the topic "Suggested influences" (above)?--Robert Kerber (talk) 21:14, 9 August 2011 (UTC)

I could find more, but I think Kael and Hoberman cover it for now. But that's five sources Wikipedia would accept in referring to it as a horror film. Andrzejbanas (talk) 23:01, 9 August 2011 (UTC)

Co-production with Italy?...

The article used to call Eyes Without a Face a French-Italian film. After looking in the page's "Production" section for a connection to Italy, I found nothing, so I researched further. From what I can gather, the film is considered French-Italian by two sources—the Internet Movie Database (which is considered questionable as a citation), and an article on the website PopMatters (the article can be found here, and I suspect that it took the notion of the film being a French-Italian co-production from the article's lede sentence).

No other sources seem to consider the film to be Italian. The film's entry on the Criterion Collection's website lists a sole country of origin: France. A similar mention of France and not Italy can be found in this article by The Guardian. Nothing really seems to indicate that Italy was heavily involved with the film. –Matthew - (talk) 18:41, 12 July 2017 (UTC)

Understood, but all the readings (and even the posters credits itself as a French-Italian production). Pulling information from Bifi.fr, a site that takes its information from the Cinémathèque Française claims its both a French and Italian co-production, specifically noting Lux as an Italian company based in Rome. Usually, Criterion is pretty accurate, but I'd rather see some specific writing stating how Italy was not involved outside this research. Andrzejbanas (talk) 19:21, 12 July 2017 (UTC)

I didn't notice that the poster says Co-production Franco-Italienne in some small writing in the bottom corner. You're quite right; my apologies. –Matthew - (talk) 19:55, 12 July 2017 (UTC)

No worries! Its good to back up things on posters anyways.:) Andrzejbanas (talk) 21:58, 12 July 2017 (UTC)

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Requested move 3 May 2022

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The result of the move request was: Moved. Created dab page at base name. (non-admin closure) Natg 19 (talk) 23:01, 26 May 2022 (UTC)

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Eyes Without a Face → Eyes Without a Face (film) – There seems to be WP:NOPRIMARY between the film and the song in terms of pageviews. While the song's name is based on the film, at this point both can lay claim to having some longterm significance culturally, so it's not a clear case of something having been so long established that it is far and away the main cultural influence. ᴢxᴄᴠʙɴᴍ (ᴛ) 08:27, 3 May 2022 (UTC) — Relisting. 晚安 (トークページ) 16:02, 15 May 2022 (UTC)

• The song is named after the film and the film gets more views (5,950) than the song (3,531)[[1]] but there are 2 unrelated (it seems) episodes. Crouch, Swale (talk) 16:22, 3 May 2022 (UTC)

  Note that the film is in the main namespace so there are likely to be false positive hits from people looking for the song. It's still likely the film gets more views but not at a ludicrous ratio, plus the song itself is culturally well known, having been a top-10 hit. ᴢxᴄᴠʙɴᴍ (ᴛ) 20:20, 3 May 2022 (UTC)

• Support per nom. Colin M (talk) 21:00, 4 May 2022 (UTC)
• Support"' per nom. Andrzejbanas (talk) 20:23, 15 May 2022 (UTC)

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