Talk:Women's Championship (England)

Women's Championship - new article or repurpose this one?

With the reorganisation of the WSL, the WSL 2 will technically no longer exist. In its place is the new Women's Championship, which seems on first glance to simply be WSL2 rebranded - at least, that's how the media keep referring to it. The thing is, the actual evidence is that the Championship will be to a greater or lesser extent a whole new competition. Organisationally they may both be run by the FA but they have cut the Championship off from the old Super League branding, the WSL has been made professional-only whereas the Championship has not and there is no longer any promotion and relegation between the two leagues, except for where a Championship team may turn pro and apply to transfer (or potentially the opposite, I guess), whereas I believe there will still be promotion/relegation to the new Women's National League, which will be the level below. In many ways the Championship will be more related to levels below this than above.

I therefore wonder whether we should make a whole new article for the Women's Championship, and preserve this as a historical article about a discontinued division - similar to such articles as, say, Football League First Division and Football League Third Division North, or Athenian League and The Combination for that matter. Would anyone object if I were to take this action? Falastur2 ^Talk 10:32, 28 May 2018 (UTC)

@Falastur2: Apologies, I wasn't aware you'd started this discussion. As far as I can see, it's a rename of the same division (as per this, this, this etc). Cheers, Number 57 15:32, 28 May 2018 (UTC)

@Number 57: My take on it was more that the removal of promotion and relegation, and the fact that clubs had to apply for places into it rather than the current clubs being automatically accepted, makes this a new iteration. , akin to the way that this article was kept as a separate article when this very article was first created. No? Falastur2 ^Talk 15:50, 28 May 2018 (UTC)

I don't think those factors make it a new league. Number 57 15:52, 28 May 2018 (UTC)

Fair enough. I considered the circumstances essentially equal, but I don't care enough about it to press the issue. I just wanted to raise the point. Falastur2 ^Talk 15:55, 28 May 2018 (UTC)

The top division will now be apparently known simply as FA Women's Super League and not WSL 1 anymore, so what should be done with FA Women's Super League and FA WSL 1 since both articles includes virtually identical content? Should FA WSL 1 be completely deleted, while FA Women's Super League should inlcude only first division info? Snowflake91 (talk) 16:11, 28 May 2018 (UTC)

I was about to query the exact same thing actually. The thought literally just came to me. Falastur2 ^Talk 16:18, 28 May 2018 (UTC)

Perhaps merge WSL 1 into the main article. Number 57 16:32, 28 May 2018 (UTC)

Requested move 10 June 2022

The following is a closed discussion of a requested move. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made in a new section on the talk page. Editors desiring to contest the closing decision should consider a move review after discussing it on the closer's talk page. No further edits should be made to this discussion.

The result of the move request was: Not Moved. The consensus appears to be that the proposed name is too Vague and that there are many other Women Championships. Disambiguating the proposed title found no consensus. >>> Extorc.talk 13:40, 3 July 2022 (UTC)

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FA Women's Championship → Women's Championship – Under the new rebrand, "The FA" has been dropped from the league name as part of the long term strategy for the league to be under new ownership in the future. Per release Hjk1106 (talk) 15:17, 10 June 2022 (UTC) — Relisting. Extraordinary Writ (talk) 03:45, 26 June 2022 (UTC)

Support per official source. Snowflake91 (talk) 15:50, 10 June 2022 (UTC)

Oppose move. "Women's Championship" is too vague. O.N.R. ^(talk) 14:26, 11 June 2022 (UTC)

Support IbraaXI (talk) 10:42, 12 June 2022 (UTC)

• Note: This discussion has been included in WikiProject Football's list of association football-related page moves. GiantSnowman 13:41, 14 June 2022 (UTC)
• Support per nom. GiantSnowman 13:45, 14 June 2022 (UTC)
• Oppose WP:NAMECHANGES says that we should wait for independent sources to catch up. — Ceso femmuin mbolgaig mbung, mellohi! (投稿) 03:55, 23 June 2022 (UTC)
• Oppose. The proposed title is ambiguous and could refer to any number of women's championships, often titled "X Women's Championship" but usually referred to as "Women's Championship" in running text. I was going to make a list, but I think this should be sufficient. If it is necessary to drop the "FA", parenthetical disambiguation should be used, and "Women's Championship" should not redirect here at all; in fact, it didn't between 2009 and 2019. Dekimasuよ! 02:38, 25 June 2022 (UTC)
• Comment: People seem to be getting very concerned with the specifics and not very concerned with finding solutions. I agree that the name "Women's Championship" is vague and could mean any of a number of things, but it's not like Wikipedia doesn't already have ways of dealing with this. How about, instead of just rejecting "Women's Championship", we propose an alternative: for example, "Women's Championship (English association football league)". It's not the optimal solution, but the alternative is preserving an obsolete name, which is not really a sensible option. Alternatively, how about we move it there anyway - since no-one has made an article using that name yet - and preface the article with some {{other}}, plus create a disambiguation article? tags Falastur2 ^Talk 08:55, 25 June 2022 (UTC)

Too wordy. How about Women's Championship (England), in line with Women's National League (Ireland)? Bring back Daz Sampson (talk) 10:13, 25 June 2022 (UTC)

• Relister's comment: A bit more discussion – about both WP:NAMECHANGES and whether a disambiguator is needed – would be appreciated. Extraordinary Writ (talk) 03:45, 26 June 2022 (UTC)
• Oppose per Dekimasu -- shows excessive UK bias -- 64.229.88.43 (talk) 03:20, 27 June 2022 (UTC)
• Oppose Also agree about the title being too short and too vague. Govvy (talk) 09:37, 28 June 2022 (UTC)
• Oppose as proposed, as there are many women's championships in many sports. Women's Championship (England) would be acceptable, although this does seem far more verbose than just leaving it as FA Women's Championship. Joseph2302 (talk) 09:44, 28 June 2022 (UTC)

• Agree with Joseph2302 re lots of "women's championships" e.g. Women's championships in WWE, so it's an either or situation where we leave it or move it to some valid identifier. Iggy (Swan) (Contribs) 18:03, 28 June 2022 (UTC)

The discussion above is closed. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page. No further edits should be made to this discussion.

Move

This needs moving. The FA Women's Championship isn't its name. This is supposed to be factual and an encyclopaedia, not something that is incorrect on purpose. Why not just call The Empire State building article The Pepsi Empire State Building, or have an article on the Footlocker White House whilst we are at it? Sirhissofloxley (talk) 22:05, 28 August 2022 (UTC)