Talk:Fairyland

Rewrite

Having just read "Captives in Fairyland" from the Briggs work -- this article is perilously close to copyright violation. Goldfritha 00:08, 17 April 2007 (UTC)

Goldfritha seems biased

I am quite familiar with copyright laws and what constitutes "fair use" is open for debate. In the interest of clarity I have rewritten all but one or two sentences.

I believe Goldfritha is acting as a unnecessary protester to the article. Perhaps due to personal discomfort with the subject matter? If my grammar needs improvement, why not make that minor edit yourself if you have a real interest in it. Otherwise, we can wait for additional objections from other Wikipedia's.

All the source information in this article comes from ancient folklore, as such none of the ideas can be copy protected. The arrangement of information and wording is quite unique now, so I thank you for your reactions Goldfritha. —The preceding unsigned comment was added by Gazingstock (talk • contribs) 01:44, 18 April 2007 (UTC).

Actually, no, you don't know what fair use is. It doesn't matter what the ideas are. It matters that several sentences were clearly lifted from the article. Goldfritha 23:36, 18 April 2007 (UTC)

Third party input is needed at this point.

Well, fair use does include quoting of small segments "that do not detract from the original work". The only "near quotes" left are references to other parts of that very huge book which offers a wealth of information beyond this article, including on the topic of Fairyland. I will rewrite those yet more to satisfy your personal definition of "fair use". Until then, stop splitting hairs with me, let someone else speak, or reword or edit the offending few sentences and grammar as you deem fit.

Fair use is permitted, legally, for only certain limited uses. This article does not fall under them.Goldfritha 23:31, 19 April 2007 (UTC)

I think it will be hard to give a good third opinion without access to the passages of the work in question. --Selket ^Talk 23:42, 19 April 2007 (UTC)

Unfortunately, it's not online. :( (Well, it's copyrighted.) It's the article "Captives in Fairyland" in Katharine Briggs's An Encyclopedia of Fairies, listed in the references. Goldfritha 23:45, 19 April 2007 (UTC)

I also note that Gazingstock is not saying that the sentences are not taken from the work, but saying it's fair use, even though this article is not about Briggs, or the Encyclopedia. Goldfritha 23:59, 19 April 2007 (UTC)

It would help in evaluating this situation if the sentences that are taken from Briggs were in quotes and referenced to the source.--agr 00:16, 20 April 2007 (UTC)

Third opinion

In response to the request for a third opinion:

"Fair use" is not a justification for copying text from another source. Fair use of text is supposed to be for critical review of that text. Quoting multiple sentences of a text just because it says what you want to say is not the same thing, so putting the text in quotes is not a solution.

Quotes would only solve one thing: right now, the article is blatant plagiarism, as Gazingstock has taken someone else's words and made them his/her own. Attributing the quoted sentences to their source would reduce this to a run-of-the-mill copyright violation.

Another problem with this article is that it doesn't follow the style guidelines for writing about fiction. It begins by describing Fairyland as if it were a real place. You need to write about the myth from the perspective of the real world, not from within the myth.

rspeer / ɹəədsɹ 04:50, 21 April 2007 (UTC)

Thank you for that.

As we have no response yet from Gazingstock, I will take his suggestion and "reword or edit the offending few sentences and grammar as [I] deem fit." -- I will delete them. Goldfritha 23:44, 5 May 2007 (UTC)

According to the Zoroastrian Vendidad commentary, Fairyland is on Mount Meru. Rcschumacher (talk) 20:43, 13 February 2018 (UTC)

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Re proposed merge

Please note the statement from the article On Fairy-Stories: "Tolkien held a narrower perspective, viewing fairy stories as those that took place in Faerie, an enchanted realm, with or without fairies as characters." Faerie redirects here. While Tolkien's definition of fairy stories is somewhat narrow, it would seem his view of Faerie was rather broad. Also see the article on Fairy tale: "As Stith Thompson points out, talking animals and the presence of magic seem to be more common to the fairy tale than fairies themselves." There are no fairies, per se, in Undine, 'though Macdonald considered it the "most beautiful" fairy tale. Mannanan51 (talk) 04:14, 20 June 2018 (UTC)

I consider this to be confusing. Really Tolkien has a broader perspective, not a narrower. A lot of this concern seems to come from the use of "fairy" as slang for homosexual, which is dated.--Jack Upland (talk) 06:56, 19 January 2022 (UTC)

Faerie Knight

The Fairy Knight in Spencer's Fairy Queen is clearly a "fairy" as is the Queen itself, but he is more like Legolas than Arthur Conan-Doyle's bunch. Saying that he isn't a "fairy" is illogical and uncited. I will remove it if no one objects.--Jack Upland (talk) 06:52, 19 January 2022 (UTC)