Talk:Fallout (video game)
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Did you know nomination
edit- The following is an archived discussion of the DYK nomination of the article below. Please do not modify this page. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as this nomination's talk page, the article's talk page or Wikipedia talk:Did you know), unless there is consensus to re-open the discussion at this page. No further edits should be made to this page.
The result was: promoted by Cwmhiraeth (talk) 09:39, 2 August 2021 (UTC)
... that Fallout is one of the games credited for reviving consumer interest in role-playing video games?Source: [1][2][3][4][5]
- Reviewed: Michita Sakata
Improved to Good Article status by Lazman321 (talk). Self-nominated at 13:34, 20 July 2021 (UTC).
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Overall: Article reached GA status within the past week, is necessarily well sourced, neutrally written and free of copyvios. All in all it is a shoe-in nomination except I think isn't quite hooky enough, so I'm going to suggest some alts from the article. BuySomeApples (talk) 20:00, 20 July 2021 (UTC)
ALT1:... that the developers of the video game Fallout originally meant for it to be a sequel to Wasteland, but were unable to get the licensing rights from EA?Source:[6]- ALT2:... that Fallout developer Tim Cain wrote the game's prologue about the bleakness of war while watching an episode of the Simpsons? Source:same as ALT1
- @Lazman321: what are your thoughts on these hooks?BuySomeApples (talk) 00:38, 21 July 2021 (UTC)
- I don't honestly know. I was already going to propose hooks of my own. It seems to me we have an agreement over the hook saying that Fallout was originally going to be a sequel to Wasteland; though then again, one of my proposals could of something you hadn't thought of. Here are my proposals. Lazman321 (talk) 02:28, 21 July 2021 (UTC)
- ALT 3: ... that Fallout was considered a risky project by developer Interplay Entertainment and was threatened with cancelation three times? [7]
ALT 4: ... that when designing Fallout, Chris Taylor wrote a statement that inspired the team to continue working on the game?[8][9]- ALT 5: ... that Fallout was initially designed to be a sequel to Wasteland, but the developer couldn't secure the license? [10]
ALT 6: ... that Fallout is considered one of the best video games of all time?[11][12][13]
- I like ALT3 and ALT5 . ALT6 might be a little subjective even though Fallout is widely considered a good game (I personally enjoy it). ALT4 I think might also be a little underwhelming. Do you have a preference between those two @Lazman321: or do you want me to leave it up to the promoter?
- I don't honestly know. I was already going to propose hooks of my own. It seems to me we have an agreement over the hook saying that Fallout was originally going to be a sequel to Wasteland; though then again, one of my proposals could of something you hadn't thought of. Here are my proposals. Lazman321 (talk) 02:28, 21 July 2021 (UTC)
- Approving ALT3 and ALT5. BuySomeApples (talk) 22:36, 21 July 2021 (UTC)
Description of the setting incomplete/inaccurate
editI think there should be a more detailed overview of the setting. Currently the "Setting" section states that "Survivors on the surface live off the salvage of the old world", which is a somewhat incomplete/inaccurate and could lead the reader to believe that this is an average/tropey post-apocalypse setting where everyone lives in squalor and has forgotten how to build/maintain architecture, keep their living spaces clean, how to grow crops, etc. (which is pretty much how the Fallout universe is depicted in the Bethesda games).
Settlements in Fallout are shown to practice agriculture (Shady Sands and The Hub cultivate crops and raise livestock), having somewhat functional societies, and trading with other settlements. And while many of the game's buildings predate the war, not all of them can be described as ruins, and Shady Sands is an entirely post-war settlement that seems to use adobe construction.
The stereotypical post-apocalypse depiction of a humanity that lives in dirty, rubble-filled ruins and mostly subsists on scavenged pre-war food items only started with Fallout 3 I believe. That game's setting is very exaggerated and one-dimensional, whereas the earlier games were more though-out and realistic.
I'm not familiar with the article's sources, so I'm not sure if any of them describe these aspects of the setting. But for a game as well-known as this, there must be at least one or two sources out there that mentions these things. --Veikk0.ma 21:05, 16 September 2023 (UTC)
"Fallout 1" as common name
editI restored a simple note that I added long ago and was removed at some point when this article was revamped. I believe it subtly fits nicely in the nested notelist without being an eyesore, and is useful to some extent (e.g. someone may somehow think Fallout Tactics was first). I see the game called Fallout 1 by the community and gaming outlets all the time. Is this not fitting?~Sıgehelmus♗(Tøk) 07:33, 19 January 2024 (UTC)
- @Sigehelmus: I don't really see the use of this footnote. Honestly, it's not something I've ever seen discussed in sources of this game probably because it's so typical of creative works like this one. Referring to the first work in a popular series by its title + "1" as a retronym is very common and trivial to call attention to. Furthermore, I've never seen anyone confuse Fallout Tactics for the first game in the series. I've removed the footnote. Lazman321 (talk) 23:11, 19 January 2024 (UTC)
- Agree with Lazman. -- ferret (talk) 23:52, 19 January 2024 (UTC)
- Yeah, it's too obvious to say. NinjaRobotPirate (talk) 03:20, 20 January 2024 (UTC)
- So be it, it's alright. I think that then (and I can't find it it does exist) there should be something in the MoS for games articles about retronyms. ~Sıgehelmus♗(Tøk) 03:27, 20 January 2024 (UTC)