Talk:Roberto Hernández (starting pitcher)

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I really feel that this should have a higher importance rating. Although he's not having a great year this season, he had 19 wins last year and was 4th on AL Cy Young ballot. Also, look at the contract he just signed, it's pretty enormous! He's likely going to be the ace or the Indians second pitcher next season as well. Barters (talk) 20:55, 11 August 2008 (UTC)

Change of Identity?

Wow. I am guessing the BLP policy doesn't cover how to handle a complete change of identity... or what to do when the identity of a public figure turns out to be a fabrication. Obviously, we're going to have to wait and see if any of this turns out to be true, but if it does, do we change the page title or URL? This isn't a pen name or stage name. Should his birth-date be changed to "unkown"? I am sure there are a number of other things this could impact. Wyvern t (talk) 19:58, 20 January 2012 (UTC)

It's a predicament. The argument that has won out at Leo Núñez so far, keeping the page there and opposing moves to "Juan Carlos Oviedo", is WP:COMMONNAME. Really, that's the same reason the page for Shawn Carter is located at Jay-Z. Once media reports (and MLB.com) start referring to these players by their "real" names (assuming we ever get concrete confirmation), then we can consider moving the pages. – Muboshgu (talk) 20:21, 20 January 2012 (UTC)

I get what you are saying. It has a weird feel to it, just because (as I mentioned before) this isn't an assumed public persona like Jay-Z. My own impulse is to differentiate that from this, which feels much more like outright fraud. It's grounds for an interesting discussion, IMO. I think some editors are jumping the gun a bit making any substantial Bio changes at this point, as the only real information we have to go on is the news story, which may or may not be accurate as to his true identity. Wyvern t (talk) 20:35, 20 January 2012 (UTC)

I get what you're saying also. This is similar to a stage name situation in some ways, but certainly different in others. Frankly, this is fraud, which is why the Dominican police are involved, and why "Carmona" and "Nunez" will have problems obtaining visas to return to the US come baseball season. As things progress, we may need to take this to a community forum for broader discussion, such as Wikipedia:Biographies of living persons/Noticeboard. – Muboshgu (talk) 20:45, 20 January 2012 (UTC)

edit request -- missing ending period

For the 2008 season, there is a sentence (ending with the name of Placido Polanco) which is missing its ending period. Please supply it. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 128.63.16.82 (talk) 21:10, 20 January 2012 (UTC)

Thanks for bringing that to my attention. I fixed it. – Muboshgu (talk) 21:13, 20 January 2012 (UTC)

Age

He lied about his age, he is not 28, he's 31. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 24.128.218.183 (talk) 23:30, 26 January 2012 (UTC)

Yes, the age is in dispute. However, until someone can point to a valid source for his actual birth date, we can't say of a certainty that the "new" age is correct either.--Wyvern t (talk) 15:01, 27 January 2012 (UTC)

I added a "Name controversy" section similar to that of Leo Núñez, because that was overdue. The note in the infobox shows that the given date of birth is in question. – Muboshgu (talk) 15:10, 27 January 2012 (UTC)

Proposed move

Fausto Carmona → [[{{{1}}}]] – It's probably time to discuss this page move, similar to Juan Oviedo. (A) Should the page be moved, and (B) to where, considering Roberto Hernández (baseball) already exists? – Muboshgu (talk) 14:58, 14 March 2012 (UTC)

Move done. – Muboshgu (talk) 19:28, 18 March 2012 (UTC)

Name changes

Should previous articles be changed to Roberto Hernández? For example should we change his came on the roster on the 2011 Major League Baseball All-Star Game page? I was going to change it but I wasn't sure if those should all be updated. I personally would say yes but I want a second opinion. Thanks, --Astros4477 (talk) 02:34, 7 April 2012 (UTC)

If I understand WP:COMMONNAME correctly, and I'll have to reread it, I believe we keep all pre-revelation naming as is, as he was commonly known as Fausto Carmona up until this past offseason. Any future mentions of the player should be by the name Hernandez. – Muboshgu (talk) 03:24, 7 April 2012 (UTC)

Also check "changes to names" at WP:Official names#Rationale. When Muhammad Ali was known as Cassius Clay, articles reflect Clay, such as this one. Readers can still type in "Cassius Clay" and get to Ali. It is appropriate "Fausto Carmona" still leads to this page, as "common names change more slowly." Zepppep (talk) 02:48, 28 August 2012 (UTC)

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