Talk:Federal Ministry of Agriculture and Rural Development

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Requested move 15 September 2017

Latest comment: 7 years ago10 comments8 people in discussion

The following is a closed discussion of a requested move. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made in a new section on the talk page. Editors desiring to contest the closing decision should consider a move review. No further edits should be made to this section.

The result of the move request was: Move. It comes down to whether "Federal" serves as enough of a distinction. There has been no argument that the title would be confused with any other specifically, and a base name should never redirect to a disambiguated title. As such, I find consensus to move, though a hat note will be important to distinguish from offices with similar titles. Cúchullain ^t/c 17:46, 20 October 2017 (UTC)Reply

Federal Ministry of Agriculture and Rural Development (Nigeria) → Federal Ministry of Agriculture and Rural Development – I disagree with this recent move because there's nothing else with this or a similar title. Googling "Federal Ministry of Agriculture and Rural Development" only brings up Nigerian results too, for me. I'd like to gauge other people's opinions and see whether I've missed anything. Cheers, Anarchyte (work | talk) 07:54, 15 September 2017 (UTC) --Relisting. DrStrauss talk 14:51, 29 September 2017 (UTC) --Relisting. DrStrauss talk 21:10, 11 October 2017 (UTC)Reply

Oppose. The country really helps the reader per WP:PRECISION. Perhaps we don't have another federal ministry of that kind, but those are close enough to create confusion:

and several more. I wish we had an explicit naming convention that would mandate the country name for ministries and government agencies. Naming in Category:Federal Ministries of Nigeria is currently inconsistent, and that's the case for many other countries. No such user (talk) 14:20, 15 September 2017 (UTC)Reply

Oppose per above. The word "Federal" doesn't really add much. -- Necrothesp (talk) 15:07, 15 September 2017 (UTC)Reply
Support, there is no other article with this title, so the proposed title meets WP:PRECISE with no issues. The examples mentioned above are not federal states, so there isn't really much possibility of confusion, and the "(Nigeria)" qualifier is unnecessary and unwieldy. — Amakuru (talk) 13:20, 29 September 2017 (UTC)Reply
Oppose per No such user. The "(Nigeria)" disambiguator is enormously helpful in ensuring that people are finding the right article. "Federal" isn't unique, and lot of the other Ministries listed above would also correctly be called "Federal" if their country is a federation. The presence of multiple other similarly titled ministries, means there is a high risk of confusion, and then WP:PRECISE while might technically apply, the end result would be an article name that is only useful to those who are inhumanly familiar with the naming tropes of government ministries around the world (i.e. probably close to zero outside the country where the ministry is based). ---- Patar knight - ^chat/_{contributions} 22:49, 2 October 2017 (UTC)Reply

Support. Since there is no other article with this name, the disambiguator is unnecessary. To catch the similarly named articles, a hatnote should suffice. -- Tavix ^(talk) 18:05, 3 October 2017 (UTC)Reply
pinging @Versace1608:, @Darreg:, @Oluwa2Chainz: @Celestina007:, @Eruditescholar: @Jamie Tubers:, @Stanleytux: @Olaniyan Olushola:. These editors work mainly in the Nigerian sphere and should probably have an opinion on this.

Support per WP:PRECISE. No other country with a Ministry of Agriculture and Rural Development even has a federal system so there is no potential for confusion. — AjaxSmack 23:16, 12 October 2017 (UTC)Reply
Well, we both pulled WP:PRECISE as an argument, so I suppose it boils down to opinion whether the proposed title unambiguously define[s] the topical scope of the article – I would say that ambiguity is present in a high degree. What it certainly fails is Recognizability – description of the subject that someone familiar with, although not necessarily an expert in, the subject area will recognize – as Patar knight said, the number of such readers is "probably close to zero outside the country where the ministry is based". No such user (talk) 12:15, 19 October 2017 (UTC)Reply
Well, I don't recognize National Identity Management Commission, Federal School of Dental Technology & Therapy, National Arts Theatre, or Government Comprehensive Secondary School (or Akowonjo, Ikeja, Minjibir, or Wamdeo for that matter) but that's the whole point of an encyclopedia. There's no need to append superfluous parenthetical descriptions just because readers are not familiar with the term. — AjaxSmack 02:26, 20 October 2017 (UTC)Reply

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