Talk:Prince Ferdinando, Duke of Genoa (1822–1855)

Requested move 10 September 2023

The following is a closed discussion of a requested move. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made in a new section on the talk page. Editors desiring to contest the closing decision should consider a move review after discussing it on the closer's talk page. No further edits should be made to this discussion.

The result of the move request was: not moved. (closed by non-admin page mover) – MaterialWorks 18:13, 18 September 2023 (UTC)

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• Prince Ferdinando, Duke of Genoa (1822–1855) → Prince Ferdinando, 1st Duke of Genoa
• Prince Ferdinando, Duke of Genoa (1884–1963) → Prince Ferdinando, 3rd Duke of Genoa

– A more natural disambiguation. Killuminator (talk) 04:10, 10 September 2023 (UTC)

Support per nom. estar8806 (talk) ★ 13:52, 10 September 2023 (UTC)

• Oppose made-up names not found in any reliable sources. DrKay (talk) 13:59, 10 September 2023 (UTC)

  It's used in the article's lede, nothing here is ''made-up''. From WP: NCROY The use of 1st, 2nd, 3rd... Earl or Baron is a matter of convenience. It is often useful disambiguation and Treat other European nobility like British nobility above Killuminator (talk) 14:01, 10 September 2023 (UTC)

  "not found in any reliable sources" = made-up. DrKay (talk) 14:06, 10 September 2023 (UTC)

  Nothing changes for the ''name''. It replaces the lifespan with the order of succession to the title. Routinely practiced on other titles of nobility, especially for disambiguation. Killuminator (talk) 14:29, 10 September 2023 (UTC)

• Oppose: Wikipedia:Naming conventions (royalty and nobility) states in the section "Royals with a substantive title": "# Numerals are not generally used. Example: Prince Richard, Duke of Gloucester, not "Prince Richard, 2nd Duke of Gloucester"."2601:249:9301:D570:D06F:58E2:AC28:1DB0 (talk) 15:55, 10 September 2023 (UTC)

  Operative term is ''generally not used'' not ''not used''. Prince Richard, Duke of Gloucester has no need for disambiguation. Killuminator (talk) 16:15, 10 September 2023 (UTC)

• Support per WP:NATURALDISAMBIGUATION. Rreagan007 (talk) 19:47, 10 September 2023 (UTC)
• Oppose. WP:NATURALDISAMBIGUATION says "Using an alternative name that the subject is also commonly called in English reliable sources, albeit not as commonly as the preferred-but-ambiguous title, is sometimes preferred. However, do not use obscure or made-up names." So, natural disambiguation does not apply in this case. Celia Homeford (talk) 08:16, 15 September 2023 (UTC)

  Why is the proposed name any more ''made-up'' than the current one? Killuminator (talk) 14:55, 15 September 2023 (UTC)

  There are citations for it, such as [1][2][3] but I'm happy to consider a commoner name if one is available. Celia Homeford (talk) 16:59, 15 September 2023 (UTC)

The discussion above is closed. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page. No further edits should be made to this discussion.