Talk:Franco-Swedish War

Deleted reference to Norvegian victory at Lier, as this was in 1814. In 1808 the Swedes won. Kingvald 13:59, 1 April 2008 (UTC)

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Bernadotte was at first Napoleon's puppet leader

He had even tried to elected Crown Prince two times before the his successful election in 1810.[1] However, he later put his people before his pride.68.47.64.121 (talk) 23:58, 26 December 2018 (UTC)

The source does not support this claim. It talks about three stages in Bernadotte's career, third one being:

"This led to his third and most successful time - as the newly elected Crown Prince of Sweden!"

And again, he was elected in August 1810 by the Riksdag of the Estates in Örebro, not in the aftermath of this war. Napoleon merely gave him his blessings to go to Sweden, he didn't put the crown on his head. You are mixing things up. Shellwood (talk) 00:04, 27 December 2018 (UTC)

At the end of the Franco-Swedish War Jean-Baptiste Jules Bernadotte(Charles XIV John) didn't become crown prince of Sweden which you think he did, in reality the Riksdag of the Estates had elected the Danish prince Charles August, Crown Prince of Sweden, who passed away later in May the same year. Bernadotte didn't enter into Swedish history until summer of 1810, six months after the Franco-Swedish War. And he was elected by the Estates in August 1810, Napoleon had nothing to do with that process.

Sources:

• [2],
• [3]
• Jean Bernadotte: mannen vi valde Herman Lindqvist 2009, ISBN 91-0-011557-6.

Shellwood (talk) 10:59, 27 December 2018 (UTC)

Yes it does.68.47.64.121 (talk) 12:11, 27 December 2018 (UTC)

Source specifically states "Seemingly with a renewed taste for action he won clashes at Mohrungen, Spanden and Linz but again failed when he erred at Wagram and was sacked by the emperor.

This led to his third and most successful time - as the newly elected Crown Prince of Sweden!"[4] The fact that his election occurred six months after Napoleon's victory only further vindicates the fact that he was at first Napoleon's puppet.68.47.64.121 (talk) 12:15, 27 December 2018 (UTC)

Norwegian royalty even acknowledges that "a number of Swedes conceived the idea of offering this position to one of Napoleon’s marshals."[5] I myself even pointed out that Napoleon sacked him on his Wikipedia article.68.47.64.121 (talk) 12:32, 27 December 2018 (UTC)

No, the new Nowrewgian source you use states that he was elected crown prince on August 21 1810. This war ended on January 6 1810. These are two separate events. You claim he was elected crown prince AND head of state at the same time(!) as a result of this war. And if you look again on this [6] you can read it says "One of the most controversial of Napoleon Bonaparte's marshals, Jean-Baptiste Bernadotte was a committed republican whose career, mainly a self-serving one, can be divided into three stages." He didn't try getting elected three times. You must stop using sources that doesn't support your statements. Shellwood (talk) 13:04, 27 December 2018 (UTC)

No, you listen and don't libel me as not listening on my talk page. The Norwegian royal court article specifically says "Sweden needed a new crown prince, and a number of Swedes conceived the idea of offering this position to one of Napoleon’s marshals. Bernadotte was the most well known of the marshals and was related to Napoleon through his wife (although relations between Bernadotte and the emperor were not good at this point)"[7] Also is noted by the fact that Napoleon sacked him.68.47.64.121 (talk) 15:01, 27 December 2018 (UTC)

However, the Crown Prince had earned enough trust in Napoleon to ask him for assistance in carrying out an invasion of Norway.[8]68.47.64.121 (talk) 15:06, 27 December 2018 (UTC)

Napoleon's trust over Bernadotte has nothing to do with this war. The second hunt for a new crown prince in May 1810 is completely unrelated to this war...Shellwood (talk) 15:21, 27 December 2018 (UTC)