Talk:Flag of the President of Ukraine

Requested move 18 May 2023

The following is a closed discussion of a requested move. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made in a new section on the talk page. Editors desiring to contest the closing decision should consider a move review after discussing it on the closer's talk page. No further edits should be made to this discussion.

The result of the move request was: Moved (non-admin closure) >>> Extorc.talk 07:58, 25 May 2023 (UTC)

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• Flag of the President of Ukraine → Flag of the president of Ukraine
• Flag of the President of Colombia → Flag of the president of Colombia
• Flag of the President of the Philippines → Flag of the president of the Philippines
• Flag of the President of Belarus → Flag of the president of Belarus
• Flag of the President of Azerbaijan → Flag of the president of Azerbaijan
• Flag of the Vice President of the United States → Flag of the vice president of the United States
• Flag of the Vice President of the Philippines → Flag of the vice president of the Philippines

– MOS:JOBTITLES and for consistency with the recently moved Flag of the president of the United States WikiEditor50 (talk) 13:16, 18 May 2023 (UTC)

• Suport not a proper noun in this instance.--65.93.193.94 (talk) 20:14, 18 May 2023 (UTC)
• Are these articles about a unique, specific object or a symbolic design? I’m looking at the article Flag of the President of Ukraine, and I see at least part of it may be describing a specific object: “a blue square cloth . . . Two-sided silken cloth was embroidered with the use of computer technologies. One side of the president's colour bears more than a million stitches of pure gold and yellow gold threads. The embroidered trident has volume due to a special lining.”  —Michael Z. 16:53, 19 May 2023 (UTC)
• Oppose as proposed. These titles, both current and proposed, sound like proper nouns, names of specific unique objects. If they are, they should be capitalized. If they are not, they should be at something like Presidential flag (Ukraine), etc., per WP:CONCISE and to avoid giving the impression these are formal names. Station1 (talk) 20:58, 19 May 2023 (UTC)
• Support per nom. estar8806 (talk) ★ 17:28, 20 May 2023 (UTC)
• Support: AFAICT, this is about any flag that has the appropriate color and symbols printed on it, not about one specific unique object. There could be a little flag that sits on the president's receptionist's desk and a couple of them mounted on a limousine and a big one flying over the president's office building and a medium-sized one on a stand in the president's office and another one in each of his staff conference rooms. There isn't just one of them, like the Hope Diamond. In some storage rooms, there are probably boxes full of them. In any case this should be consistent with Flag of the president of the United States, which was the title agreed for that in a very recent RM. —⁠ ⁠BarrelProof (talk) 23:32, 20 May 2023 (UTC)

  A proper noun need not refer to just one unique object; it may be the name of a specific unique class or type. There are many Ford Explorers, which are distinct from someone seeking a way to cross a river, and many Academy Awards that all come from one specific well-known academy. Similarly, a president may own many flags, but Flag of the President of Ukraine is the name of one very specific flag design. Station1 (talk) 16:28, 21 May 2023 (UTC)

• Support per MOS:JOBTITLES, etc. "The president of Ukraine" is an office (a job); see lead sentence of President of Ukraine: "The president of Ukraine ... is the head of state of Ukraine. The president represents the nation in international relations, ..." (not "President"). It's capitalized when joined to a name: "President Zelenskyy".  — SMcCandlish ☏ ¢ 😼  06:44, 25 May 2023 (UTC)

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