Talk:German auxiliary cruiser Atlantis

Automedon

What does this mean :

Obliging the ship's lone female passenger...

yes, it sounds vague, possibly dodgy. Does this mean taken to Atlantis as prisoner, or raped, or what? References?

The German crew were attempting to find women's clothes for the female passenger to wear (source: the book mentioned below). However, re-reading the chapter on Automedon, there's no mention of a woman passenger. Perhaps two unrelated incidents are being confused.

Yes, it does sound dodgy, so I've deleted it.194.176.105.40 16:32, 20 April 2007 (UTC)

Well, it doesn't take very much effort with google to track this down. "The ship [Automedon] is then captured by the enemy, and just before it’s to be sunk, one of the detained passengers requests that her tea set (of all things) be retrieved by the enemy crew, which obliges her ...". In fact, accommodating the passenger's request led directly to discovering the secret document which was the treasure mined from Automedon. See here. Here and here we find that her name was Violet Ferguson and that she survived the ordeal and the war. Parenthetically, here is a story of rather epic experiences of some of the prisoners from the Automedon after reaching captivity in occupied France. Fnj2 (talk) 00:34, 24 November 2013 (UTC)

King City

The article contains a link to King City, a disambiguation page about four North American communities. Could someone please add relevant info to the dab page, and create a separate article (or red-link) for the King City referred to in this article - I'm not sufficiently familiar with this subject to be able to do so. Mindmatrix 02:50, 21 September 2005 (UTC)

Never mind, I did it myself. According to this, it was a British collier built in 1928 and destroyed in August 1940. Mindmatrix 14:39, 21 September 2005 (UTC)

On second thought, I'm not sure if King City (naval vessel) is appropriate. Should it be British collier King City, something else entirely, or does it even merit a link? Mindmatrix 15:47, 21 September 2005 (UTC)

City of Exeter

I changed "Captain" to "Master". On second thought, it might have stood. Comment? Trekphiler 05:53, 26 November 2005 (UTC)

Many parts of this article are either a direct copy or a close paraphrase from the book "Atlantis, the story of a German surface raider" by Ulrich Mohr and A. V. Sellwood. Mohr was the aide-de-camp to the captain of Atlantis, Bernhard Rogge (who contributes a foreword to the book). The book is certainly the most authoritative source available for this topic, but some sections of the article are uncomfortably close to the text of the book, in particular the section "Automedon and its Secret Cargo" and the last half of the section "U-68, U-126, a Nightmare, and HMS Devonshire".

I have a second impression of this book, published in 1955. Perhaps the original author can clarify if this was indeed the source, and if not provide a list of sources they used.

Orpheus 18:12, 9 June 2006 (UTC)

Use of three different names

While this ship had three different names, the article is entitled "German auxiliary cruiser Atlantis". Listing the names by which this ship was known in the first paragraph is sufficient. It detracts from the article to continuously, and seemingly randomly, switch among the three names. Would it be acceptable to refer to the ship as "Atlantis" in all paragraphs subsequent to the first one? Silverchemist 01:24, 23 January 2007 (UTC)

Done Socrates2008 (Talk) 12:25, 20 May 2008 (UTC)

Ernst Bauer ???

The name links to an american scientist born in 1928. Not the aforementioned U-Boat captain. Any thoughts? —Preceding unsigned comment added by 86.130.135.105 (talk) 22:25, 25 January 2008 (UTC)

WikiProject Military history/Assessment/Tag & Assess 2008

Article reassessed and graded as start class. --dashiellx (talk) 11:09, 6 May 2008 (UTC)

Calling John DeLancie

Signalled "QQQQ"? I've always understood the Brits used a triple signal, "SSS" for subs, "RRR" for raiders; I've never seen a quad, or a Q. Can somebody verify? TREKphiler ^{any time you're ready, Uhura} 00:52, 12 December 2009 (UTC)

The following "quick-send" codes were in use:

• "QQQQ" : Armed merchantman attempting to stop me
• "RRRR" : Enemy warship sighted or engaged
• "SSSS" : Enemy submarine sighted or engaged

Turner, L.C.F. (ed). War in the Southern Oceans: 1939-45. Oxford University Press, Cape Town. 1961. pp 24. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Farawayman (talk • contribs) 14:18, 18 September 2010

To clarify this a bit; the triple signal was in use, but was changed at some point (off the top of my head I can't remember when) to the quad. If I can find a date for that I'll bring it here. Xyl 54 (talk) 16:38, 18 September 2010 (UTC)

Apologies for the unsigned entry above! Farawayman (talk) 16:49, 18 September 2010 (UTC)

No worries! Xyl 54 (talk) 17:14, 18 September 2010 (UTC)

Incorrect move

This was moved without any discussion, or explanation, from “German auxiliary cruiser Atlantis" to “Atlantis (HSK 2)"
As the original title conformed to WP:NC ship guidelines, and the new title could be anything, I’ve moved it back. Xyl 54 (talk) 03:56, 18 May 2010 (UTC)

Requested move

The following discussion is an archived discussion of a requested move. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made in a new section on the talk page. No further edits should be made to this section.

The result of the move request was: no consensus to move at present. Arbitrarily0 ^(talk) 19:43, 15 June 2010 (UTC)

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German auxiliary cruiser Atlantis → Atlantis (HSK 2) — per standard naming conventions . emerson7 20:03, 3 June 2010 (UTC)

• Comment the current name appears to be the standard under the naming guidelines... 76.66.193.224 (talk) 05:49, 4 June 2010 (UTC)

• Oppose We have German auxiliary cruiser Kormoran, German cruiser Prinz Eugen, several other German warships with similar names. If the de facto and de jure naming conventions for German warships do not agree we need to discuss this further, not move titles on a piecemeal basis. PatGallacher (talk) 19:28, 4 June 2010 (UTC)

• Comment If you had bothered to read the guidelines I showed you the last time you brought this up, you’d have seen it says "For ships of navies or nations that don't have a standard ship prefix, name the article (Nationality) (type) (Name):", for example "German battleship Bismarck"
  

In what way does the present title here not do that?

How does it differ from every other article in the categories shown ?

What other “standard naming conventions" do you have in mind ? Xyl 54 (talk) 23:50, 4 June 2010 (UTC)

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Incorrect Date

One of these dates can't be correct. Atlantis could not have sailed from the Pacific and arrived in the Atlantic the previous day: "...between Pitcairn and uninhabited Henderson islands, making a landing on Henderson Island. The seaplane from Atlantis made several fruitless reconnaissance flights. Atlantis headed back to the Atlantic on 19 October, and rounded Cape Horn ten days later.

[edit] U-68, U-126, and HMS Devonshire On October 18, Rogge was ordered to rendezvous with the submarine U-68 800 km (500 mi) south of St. Helena " Since the sinking was in November, it would appear that October 18 should be November 18. Also, in different parts of the article the sinking date is given as November 21 and November 23, 1941. The summary says Nov.21, the table listing "Career" says Nov. 23. (xperrymint, June 10, 2010)Xperrymint (talk) 15:19, 11 June 2010 (UTC)

"Secrets Of World War II" - BBC documentary series, 1998

The 1998 BBC documentary series Secrets Of World War II, has an episode Cruise Of The Secret Raiders which covers the actions of the Atlantis. The sinking of the Automedon features prominently, including a brief interview with one of the Automedon survivors: Stan Hughill, who was helmsman at the time of the attack.
As of July 2010, the series is being shown repeatedly in the UK on the channel Yesterday.
86.25.121.34 (talk) 09:10, 18 July 2010 (UTC)

Length

Lloyds register gives the following measurements for Goldenfels - Length 488.1 feet (148.77 m), beam 61.3 feet (18.68 m), depth 31.1 feet (9.48 m), Although her GRT is the same, she is listed as quite a bit shorter than the article states. Is it possible that she was lengthened for Kriegsmarine service? Mjroots (talk) 12:41, 11 November 2013 (UTC)

Speculation: it could possibly be due to the fact that either waterline length or overall length could be intended when length of a ship (unqualified) is specified. The former is of course appreciably shorter than the latter. Fnj2 (talk) 00:41, 24 November 2013 (UTC)

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