Talk:Gilaks

Offesnive

This article is moderately offensive. D-Fluff has had E-Nuff 18:45, 4 October 2007 (UTC)

Why? say it, so we can improve.-Raayen (talk) 20:06, 13 March 2014 (UTC)

This article needs to be improved

This article is way too short and needs to be further lenghtened with things as what role they played in history, the caucasian peoples that were settled here (Circassians, Armenians, Georgians), more about their language etc. etc. LouisAragon (talk) 18:03, 2 February 2014 (UTC)

Gils, Persian or just Iranian?

There is no doubt that Gilaks are Iranian. But some are removing also the Persian as the original ethnic group. It is evident that in many sources Gilaks are mentioned as different from Persian speaking people, but there are sources too that mention them as Persian people, so they are Persian as well. The confusion is because of the definition of "Persian". In broad sense, Persian people also include Turkic speakers of Azerbaijan. That seem more distance. Gilaks seem more close. Some think (look at the changes of this article) that what I say is nationalism. It is exactly different. i.e "contra nationalism". In spite of that, I don't know why they are against nationalism, while their world-wide views didn't brought us, the world people, anything good (Look at Comunism). You are useful, but not now.-Raayen (talk) 19:50, 13 March 2014 (UTC)

The Gilakis speak a northern Iranian language, unlike the Persians who speak a Southern Iranian language. Plus, the Turks of Azerbaijan are not Persians, that's the silliest thing i have ever heard. You have recently begun to say that every goddamn ethnic group who has had some relations with the Persians are related to them. Just like the Arabs for example, which you still have not shown a source about, and i will revert that edit as well. I have removed some sources which you have added, i mean come on; Museum and World Tourism Organization? these are not reliable sources from scholars but some random things you found on the internet. I have begun to take a more closer look on it, and right now it seems that most of these sources are not even reliable nor mentions what you quoted, which means you are using fake quotes. By the way Iranian and Persian does not mean the same, i really hope you already know that. --Mossadegh-e Mihan-dust (talk) 20:21, 13 March 2014 (UTC)

This is a very good point, how can they be subgroups of Persians and speak to a language from another family?!--Drako (talk) 00:40, 16 March 2014 (UTC)

What do you mean by saying "Persians are the original group?" Gilaks, Lurs, Persians, etc. all are Iranian peoples. None of them are subordinate to each other. --Drako (talk) 00:33, 16 March 2014 (UTC)

Disambiguation should be used where there is actually an ambiguity not everywhere. --Drako (talk) 00:38, 16 March 2014 (UTC)

Gilakis are not a Persian-subgroup. Yes, they are Iranic and Persian cousins, but they are not a Persian-subgroup. Are Kurds a Persian-subgroup? No. Same answer goes for Gilaki people. Persians are Iranic, Gilakis are Iranic too, but Iranic/Iranian =/= Persian. Zyma (talk) 02:06, 19 March 2014 (UTC)

Finally some people who understand about this. --Mossadegh-e Mihan-dust (talk) 15:20, 19 March 2014 (UTC)

Mossadegh-e Mihan-dust and Zyma Can you please cite some sources to agree with your theory that Gilaks, Kurds, Azeri, Lurs are not ethnic groups that are considered a part of Iran? I understand they are not specifically ethnically Persian however Wikipedians have included these groups on various cultural pages of Iran/Persia within Wikipedia including the Persian dance page I was recently working on. So can you either elaborate the Gilaks article to include cultural information like dance since this is such a small article right now and include citations or alternatively allow it to be within the Persian cultural page? This is suppose to be consistent across the platform. Jooojay (talk) 23:11, 14 July 2014 (UTC)

We are Gilak, and Gilaki is our language.

Gilaki is our language. In Gilaki and other Iranian languages, "i" is a suffix that is like "ian" in English. So, Iran is a country and a nation-state name and if we add "i", we have "Irani" that means Iranian. And Gilak, is a nation or ethnic name and if we add "i" we have Gilaki that is a language.

So, we call ourself in north of Iran, Gilak and this article must changeto new title: Gilaks our Gilak people.

And, Gilan is a province in Iran that have two main nations: Gilak and Talysh; so both of Gilak people and Talysh people are "Gilani". And some of Talysh are living out of Iran and out of Gilan and some of Gilak people are living in Mazandaran province too. Therefore I think "Gilani People" is not a suitable name.

(I am admin in Gilaki wikipedia and here is my profile.)

Varg (talk) 12:27, 28 August 2015 (UTC)

If you would like to change the title of an article, please follow the directions at Wikipedia:Requested moves#Requesting controversial and potentially controversial moves. Don't cut the contents of one page and paste it into another. 58.176.246.42 (talk) 13:19, 28 August 2015 (UTC)

Sorry and thanks for your help.

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The result of the move request was: moved to Gilaks. Everyone seemed OK with this. Jenks24 (talk) 16:45, 5 September 2015 (UTC)

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Gilaki people → Gilak people – Gilaki is our language. In Gilaki and other Iranian languages, "i" is a suffix that is like "ian" in English. So, Iran is a country and a nation-state name and if we add "i", we have "Irani" that means Iranian. And Gilak, is a nation or ethnic name and if we add "i" we have Gilaki that is a language.

So, we call ourself in north of Iran, Gilak and this article must changeto new title: Gilaks our Gilak people. And, Gilan is a province in Iran that have two main nations: Gilak and Talysh; so both of Gilak people and Talysh people are "Gilani". And some of Talysh are living out of Iran and out of Gilan and some of Gilak people are living in Mazandaran province too. Therefore I think "Gilani People" is not a suitable name.

(I am admin in Gilaki wikipedia and here is my profile.) Varg (talk) 21:45, 28 August 2015 (UTC)

Varg (talk) 21:45, 28 August 2015 (UTC)

• Support The Gilani people" is wrong. because many talyshs live in gilan, and some gilaks maybe live in other provinces.change name to Gilaks --شیخ (talk) 19:18, 29 August 2015 (UTC)
• Support Gilaks per WP:PLURAL and WP:CONCISE, along with the reasoning provide by the nominator. RGloucester — ☎ 03:01, 29 August 2015 (UTC)
• Move to Gilaks, per WP:CONCISE. Khestwol (talk) 15:13, 29 August 2015 (UTC)
• Support per reasoning above and per use in relevant literature, e.g. http://www.iranicaonline.org/articles/gilan-xiv-ethnic-groups. Constantine ✍ 15:59, 29 August 2015 (UTC)

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