Talk:Gintama

Parallels

Under the "Themes and style" heading, I was wondering if it should be noted that the Amanto are basically a parallel for westerners, as well as the events and anti-foreigner sentiment present in Japan during that period in real life? 184.147.93.162 (talk) 20:04, 27 August 2015 (UTC)

We would need a WP:Reliable Source to avoid original research.Tintor2 (talk) 00:39, 29 August 2015 (UTC)

Well, while the Amanto influence is much more widespread in Gintama, I personally believe it's still inspired by the events in real life Japan, as delineated on the WP pages https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bakumatsu and https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Boshin_War. It was partly due to increasing foreign pressure to either open Japan's borders or be attacked and forced to go to war that led to the end of the Edo era and the beginning of the Meiji era. There are differences, of course, as in Gintama the Edo era never ended, but the initial events seem essentially the same. The differences after initial events are clearly due to a divergent timeline created by the Amanto invading instead of the Americans.. I'm not sure if all that's enough, though. 184.147.93.162 (talk) 15:38, 3 September 2015 (UTC)

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Requested move 14 February 2023

The following is a closed discussion of a requested move. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made in a new section on the talk page. Editors desiring to contest the closing decision should consider a move review after discussing it on the closer's talk page. No further edits should be made to this discussion.

The result of the move request was: moved. Per consensus, proposed name is the new common name. (closed by non-admin page mover) – robertsky (talk) 18:44, 21 February 2023 (UTC)

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Gin Tama → Gintama – "Gintama" without the space is the WP:COMMONNAME and other licensed official sources use gintama such as: [1]Netflix [2]Crunchyroll: [3]Hulu And the overwhelming majority of people online use "gintama" as well as [4]many [5]reviewers

The common name has changed since for the benefit of the doubt, "Gin Tama", was previously the common name.

I'm proposing this is moved to Gintama. DarmaniLink (talk) 18:21, 14 February 2023 (UTC) (Converted to move request). Steel1943 (talk) 18:31, 14 February 2023 (UTC)

Comment: "Gin Tama" is the official English title used for the manga (which is the original work) by Viz Media.[6] That alone seems to be enough reason to keep the name as it is. Similarly, YuYu Hakusho instead of Yu Yu Hakusho, as the official English name for the anime adaptation.[7] Xexerss (talk) 20:13, 14 February 2023 (UTC)

Every other official (and unofficial) source uses "Gintama" *except* for viz, where it has stood as that for 15 years. At this point, both Gintama and Gin Tama are both official names but Gin Tama is not the common name. DarmaniLink (talk) 21:13, 14 February 2023 (UTC)

Comment regarding Viz: Its worth pointing out that viz has since dropped Gintama and is no longer publishing translations of new volumes

The previous argument for preferring Gin Tama is that it was the official English name, but up to date and newer distributors now prefer Gintama (see the op) as well an overwhelming number of people.[8]

If you have two official names, why would you use the one that's not even used 1% of the time? DarmaniLink (talk) 21:43, 14 February 2023 (UTC)

Good point. My only reason to support to keep the current name is because the manga is the original work, despite not being continued by Viz in over ten years. But Wikipedia:Manual of Style/Anime and manga#Article names and disambiguation states: "If there are multiple official titles, use the one that is best known and that has contributed most to the work's becoming known in the broader English-speaking world." Apparently nothing indicates that it must necessarily use the title of the original work, so if no one else opposes, I wouldn't mind if the page is renamed. Xexerss (talk) 22:02, 14 February 2023 (UTC)

Comment: I do wish people would stop saying "official". What on earth is it supposed to mean? There is no international or national government body charged with standardising manga name... Imaginatorium (talk) 08:44, 15 February 2023 (UTC)

It just means the title that the publisher (the company who officially and legally owns the rights to release the series) decided for the series that they have licensed (official English name in this case). That's why the Case Closed article is called like that instead of "Detective Conan". Xexerss (talk) 18:46, 15 February 2023 (UTC)

• Support Gintama is the clearly the most common and well-known name among English sources (especially modern ones since Viz Media no longer publishes the series at all). If this page is moved, then List of Gin Tama chapters and List of Gin Tama characters should also be moved too. Link20XX (talk) 23:32, 15 February 2023 (UTC)

  Question: Should I add these to the move request or do this in a separate proposal? I'm fairly new to this DarmaniLink (talk) 00:42, 16 February 2023 (UTC)

  I don't think that is necessary; that comment is more of a note to whoever closes this discussion. On that note, if this page is moved, perhaps a phrase like "also written as Gin Tama" should be added to the lead, though that may be unnecessary. Link20XX (talk) 03:20, 16 February 2023 (UTC)

• Support per nom. The "Gintama" spelling is used by the majority of relevant sources, especially when focusing on recent sources. ModernDayTrilobite (talk • contribs) 16:44, 17 February 2023 (UTC)

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Should some mention of the pun on kintama be made?

I don't want to screw this up. I don't see a good place to write it in. DarmaniLink (talk) 18:51, 21 February 2023 (UTC)